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The only reason I had that reaction is because he could have plainly said in the first place I don't think that's why it died. But he had to drag it out into a bunch of posts and I don't think anyone appreciates cryptic input.

I appreciate that most people on here are pretty straight forward, it gets on my nerves when anyone tip toes around saying something at any time not just on a forum. Sorry DB but just be straight up im a big boy I can take it haha

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Aw man tough loss! BTW I drip acclimate all my fish, including 2 ATF recently, and all of them have been fine with that method so I'm not sure why yours would die that way. But I guess this happens from time to time. Good luck on your pursuit for an ATF!
 
BuffaloPolypteridae said:
The only reason I had that reaction is because he could have plainly said in the first place I don't think that's why it died. But he had to drag it out into a bunch of posts and I don't think anyone appreciates cryptic input.

I appreciate that most people on here are pretty straight forward, it gets on my nerves when anyone tip toes around saying something at any time not just on a forum. Sorry DB but just be straight up im a big boy I can take it haha

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Who am I to argue about ATF? I've had them a few months. Seem pretty hardy to me, but I'm a newb to them.

I didn't mean to drag it out, I was simply trying to understand where you guys were coming from with whatever it was you decided about the bucket acclimation deal being a bad thing. I don't understand, and was just trying to understand.

I've got some experience with fish and buckets and wasn't, and still am not making sense of what the reason for it dying is...

I'm not trying to throw salt in the wound here, as I'm sorry for the situation, but I'm just trying to help.... It would suck to have the same outcome after trying again.

My point is this.....
Forums are great for sharing experiences and knowledge, but it's easy to misread fact and opinion. I made the mistake of listening to advice in regards to caring for expensive fish for years without any fact to base their advice on, all I had was their experience. There's no misreading numbers. Numbers can be answers, but without these fancy little meters we can't see the numbers...... Mite be a good idea to be able to see the numbers, cause what if they can answer questions? Then you know. And if getting into this stuff for the long haul looking back I would have bought meters a lot sooner to be able to better understand the hobby.

I know there's several members here that have lots of ATF experience, I'm not trying to discredit anything they say, I was just trying to understand the situation better since it wasn't really discussed......

As far as "cryptic" input, you got me, it's getting close to Holloween and couldn't help myself, I thought I'd break out my cryptivity.......:ROFL:
 
Hahaha good one! i really do truly appreciate every piece of input i get DB and i am sorry about the little snap, if i hadnt been told about conductivity the previous day then that would have been very very helpful, as was your reccomendation for a good cheap tester! Now ive looked into that thouroghly I really think EVERYONE should be testing conductivity. It just seems like an amazing way to keep your water in check, almost like an early warning system. I really like those new Fluval canisters w/ the digital display that can show your conductivity also, i want to include one on my build this spring.

I really would like to know the true cause, I'm REALLY hoping that it was simply that my drip wasnt fast enough to cause enough surface irritation to avoid what had happened. All the other fish in the tank are good, and my Palmas Polli was shipped in from Rt4 a couple weeks back and other then a scratch (which is almost gone) on his belly everything else is fine. I do want to get deeper into the whole "perfect" water quality scenario, like i was told as a beginner back in high school by my uncle "We do not keep fish, we keep water".

I want to know how to maintain that perfection, but im still in the process of learning everything. For a long time i was as you said, only concerned about "filter working" params and lately I've been realizing its much more then that. What do you guys think about RO w/ tigers? If it will be helpful i could do one WC out of every 2 or 3 with the RO you can buy from the store until i can afford an actual converter. I ask because conductivity is very low in RO water, maybe that will help maintain the better quality?

Again though DB, I am sorry about the snap really, I'm not like that most of the time and I hate it when I am.

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I was the one who told him that about being left in the bucket. I got the impression that for some reason he dumped the bag into a bucket and then let it sit for an extended period of time before starting the drip. I was like :confused:

I see from reading this thread that I might not have been correct on that impression. Ah well. I still favor floating and dumping for freshwater fish, but I'm an adamant fan of drips for saltwater fishies.
 
No biggie Will, it's all good.

The reason I didn't understand the bucket bit is from transporting rays. You take a 10+lb ray plop it in a tub and drive it 8 hours without issue. A 3-4" Tiger could probably swim through the spiracle of a ray this size, so you can imagine why I was having a hard time understanding how a little tiger could deplete the oxygen of a container like a bucket in such a short time when a monster flatfish doesn't over a third of the day....

I have no idea if conductivity numbers are even all they're cracked up to be, I'm still trying to learn the ropes with this stuff.

Here's my deal..... I fix cars for a living. For me to make money I have to condemn problems beyond a reasonable doubt in the quickest manner possible. So to me it's frustrating speculating, I'm a numbers guy. Let's use some tools, to get the numbers we need, the numbers can tell the story of the problem, but without being able to read the numbers all you can do is speculate.

Seems like there's a lot of speculation in this hobby cause we often don't really see the whole picture. I think this comes from having good luck. When nothing's dying and everything's going good which is most of the time, it's hard to justify spending the money on water monitoring equipment. The only time we worry about numbers is when something goes wrong. When it goes wrong and we don't know why all we can do is speculate what we think happened cause we couldn't justify buying the meters cause when everythings OK there's no need to monitor. Does monitoring the water hold all the answers? Probably not, but I bet it can at least rule a few things out.... :)

On the RO bit, I've discussed native waters with Rob, and it seems they come from harder waters so I'm not sure soft water would benefit them like it might say a Payara or other South American fish that come from those very soft, acidic waters. But I've never heard of any conductivity numbers from the Nile, would be very interesting to compare to Amazonian numbers. I've always wondered if there's a happy medium that would allow both Amazonian and African species to thrive???

Rob, I am curious to know the reasoning behind dripping saltwater fish, but not fresh??? Pretty much all salt is 8.4 PH. It would seem to me that being FW is subject to varying PH that it would be more beneficial to drip fresh then salt????
 
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No biggie Will, it's all good.

The reason I didn't understand the bucket bit is from transporting rays. You take a 10+lb ray plop it in a tub and drive it 8 hours without issue. A 3-4" Tiger could probably swim through the spiracle of a ray this size, so you can imagine why I was having a hard time understanding how a little tiger could deplete the oxygen of a container like a bucket in such a short time when a monster flatfish doesn't over a third of the day....

I have no idea if conductivity numbers are even all they're cracked up to be, I'm still trying to learn the ropes with this stuff.

Here's my deal..... I fix cars for a living. For me to make money I have to condemn problems beyond a reasonable doubt in the quickest manner possible. So to me it's frustrating speculating, I'm a numbers guy. Let's use some tools, to get the numbers we need, the numbers can tell the story of the problem, but without being able to read the numbers all you can do is speculate.

Seems like there's a lot of speculation in this hobby cause we often don't really see the whole picture. I think this comes from having good luck. When nothing's dying and everything's going good which is most of the time, it's hard to justify spending the money on water monitoring equipment. The only time we worry about numbers is when something goes wrong. When it goes wrong and we don't know why all we can do is speculate what we think happened cause we couldn't justify buying the meters cause when everythings OK there's no need to monitor. Does monitoring the water hold all the answers? Probably not, but I bet it can at least rule a few things out.... :)

On the RO bit, I've discussed native waters with Rob, and it seems they come from harder waters so I'm not sure soft water would benefit them like it might say a Payara or other South American fish that come from those very soft, acidic waters. But I've never heard of any conductivity numbers from the Nile, would be very interesting to compare to Amazonian numbers. I've always wondered if there's a happy medium that would allow both Amazonian and African species to thrive???

Rob, I am curious to know the reasoning behind dripping saltwater fish, but not fresh??? Pretty much all salt is 8.4 PH. It would seem to me that being FW is subject to varying PH that it would be more beneficial to drip fresh then salt????
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I kept reefs when I was into salt. I never even had a fish in my tank. The inverts are (apparently) much more fragile so I was always more careful. I'm a self admitted noob when it comes to salt though. I never had a chance to really get involved in depth like I have with fresh.
 
I see... If you had a reef you probably have a better understanding then someone who only keeps eels though..... I've never tried any inverts. I had a tank full of eels, added fish, they got ich all of them died meanwhile the eels never even quit eating.... lol. Have loved the eels ever since. Tough as nails. When everything in my FW tanks turns to crap and stuff starts dying or gets sick I simply go enjoy my serenity blanket of eels, cause my only worry with them is over feeding and them puking and how I'm going to clean it up without being attacked. LOL

It's funny cause people walk through the house and after seeing the eels the question about salt being difficult to care for always pops up, I tell them all the same thing, salt is so easy compared to FW it's not even funny. However I know enough to know keeping eels and reefs are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum.

Rob you think you could track down any conductivity numbers people have tested from the water in Africa???? I'd love to know how much the 2 big rivers differ...... :)
 
DB junkie said:
I see... If you had a reef you probably have a better understanding then someone who only keeps eels though..... I've never tried any inverts. I had a tank full of eels, added fish, they got ich all of them died meanwhile the eels never even quit eating.... lol. Have loved the eels ever since. Tough as nails. When everything in my FW tanks turns to crap and stuff starts dying or gets sick I simply go enjoy my serenity blanket of eels, cause my only worry with them is over feeding and them puking and how I'm going to clean it up without being attacked. LOL

It's funny cause people walk through the house and after seeing the eels the question about salt being difficult to care for always pops up, I tell them all the same thing, salt is so easy compared to FW it's not even funny. However I know enough to know keeping eels and reefs are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum.

Rob you think you could track down any conductivity numbers people have tested from the water in Africa???? I'd love to know how much the 2 big rivers differ...... :)
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Sorry to bump an old thread. I was trying to send DB a pm but his box is full. Any chance you could post some good links on using TDS testing? Looking for how to interrupt the results and does water hardness come into play.. Thanks
 
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