RD.
Looks like P&P has been bought?? Lol. WTF.http://www.petsandponds.com/en/aquarium-supplies/c7026/c150740/index.html
Northfin food
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RD.
Looks like P&P has been bought?? Lol. WTF.http://www.petsandponds.com/en/aquarium-supplies/c7026/c150740/index.html
Ok , forgive me if this was mentioned and already discussed in this thread but I don't feel like scanning through it again.
So ,reading over in the Oscar forum it is mentioned that no krill comes ethoxyquin free . So where is NLS lab report? What are their levels?
So ,reading over in the Oscar forum it is mentioned that no krill comes ethoxyquin free . So where is NLS lab report? What are their levels?
From this thread, post # 200 by yours truly ......
On another note, on kmuda's forum there was a post by a rep that works within the krill industry, and I felt that it was worth repeating here. This non EQ krill is what will end up in NLS formulas - not so sure about NF, seeing as they aren't talking.
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"Full Disclosure, I work with the largest producer of krill-derived products in the world. At a recent Trade Show I was asked to chime in on the Ethoxyquin issue and whether or not there is actually krill meal available that is properly preservative free.
I can say, definitively, that there is krill meal produced that is preservative-free. The issue with preservatives in fish meal has most to do with the cubic volume of the product being shipped. Fish meal, and krill meal, are highly oxididizable and therefore dangerous to be shipping in an enclosed space like the hold of a freighter. Ethoxyquin is a supremely effective anti-oxidant and well indicated in feeds destined for fish.
Krill Meal behaves differently than fish meal in that the fat is not easily separated from the protein...where fish meal can hover at 6% most krill meal has fat levels over 25%. This is due to the peculiar nature of the Omega3's in krill. While there are Ethoxyquin alternatives, none immediately presents as effective...particular for krill meal. It is likely that given the regulatory trend, producers will move to a blend of some sort or, ideally,utilize larger scale vacuum packers with nitrogen flushing. This however, is very, very expensive.
Our company has been producing a preservative-free krill meal for some time. This product is packaged in 25kg bags which are vacuum packed...the naturally occuring Astaxanthin in the meal provides stability for up to 2 years. This particular meal has undergone an additional sieving process to reduce the shell volume (and thus the flouride levels) making it suitable for mammalian diets.
I am not aware of any other krill producer who offers non-ethoxyquin preserved product in meal form. The only exception being product that has been deep frozen prepped for oil extraction. This type of meal is very, very expensive given the front-loaded cost of said preservation. This is not to say that there aren't some kg's of natural krill meal out there. However, given that the second biggest producer has just gone bankrupt (Olympic/Rimfrost) and two of the other 9 boats previously fishing for Antarctic Krill have been docked, it is unlikely.
For reference, preservative-free krill meal is roughly 2x the cost of ethoxyquin treated product."
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Mike, the moral of this story is that one cannot always believe everything that they read, or are told, on public forums. Kmuda thought that he knew a LOT about fish food, how it is made, etc. The reality is he is very gullible, and very naïve, and IMO he was duped by more than just one manufacturer. I tried to tell him that a long time ago.
On another note, on kmuda's forum there was a post by a rep that works within the krill industry, and I felt that it was worth repeating here. This non EQ krill is what will end up in NLS formulas - not so sure about NF, seeing as they aren't talking.
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"Full Disclosure, I work with the largest producer of krill-derived products in the world. At a recent Trade Show I was asked to chime in on the Ethoxyquin issue and whether or not there is actually krill meal available that is properly preservative free.
I can say, definitively, that there is krill meal produced that is preservative-free. The issue with preservatives in fish meal has most to do with the cubic volume of the product being shipped. Fish meal, and krill meal, are highly oxididizable and therefore dangerous to be shipping in an enclosed space like the hold of a freighter. Ethoxyquin is a supremely effective anti-oxidant and well indicated in feeds destined for fish.
Krill Meal behaves differently than fish meal in that the fat is not easily separated from the protein...where fish meal can hover at 6% most krill meal has fat levels over 25%. This is due to the peculiar nature of the Omega3's in krill. While there are Ethoxyquin alternatives, none immediately presents as effective...particular for krill meal. It is likely that given the regulatory trend, producers will move to a blend of some sort or, ideally,utilize larger scale vacuum packers with nitrogen flushing. This however, is very, very expensive.
Our company has been producing a preservative-free krill meal for some time. This product is packaged in 25kg bags which are vacuum packed...the naturally occuring Astaxanthin in the meal provides stability for up to 2 years. This particular meal has undergone an additional sieving process to reduce the shell volume (and thus the flouride levels) making it suitable for mammalian diets.
I am not aware of any other krill producer who offers non-ethoxyquin preserved product in meal form. The only exception being product that has been deep frozen prepped for oil extraction. This type of meal is very, very expensive given the front-loaded cost of said preservation. This is not to say that there aren't some kg's of natural krill meal out there. However, given that the second biggest producer has just gone bankrupt (Olympic/Rimfrost) and two of the other 9 boats previously fishing for Antarctic Krill have been docked, it is unlikely.
For reference, preservative-free krill meal is roughly 2x the cost of ethoxyquin treated product."
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Mike, the moral of this story is that one cannot always believe everything that they read, or are told, on public forums. Kmuda thought that he knew a LOT about fish food, how it is made, etc. The reality is he is very gullible, and very naïve, and IMO he was duped by more than just one manufacturer. I tried to tell him that a long time ago.
BTW - I will never say anything negative about the owner of P&P, Jason is a stand up guy who is probably just trying to keep his head above water like most of the players in the aquatic dry goods trade. The competition is fierce. Good guy, and I have nothing but good things to say about him.
Didn't take me long to figure that out the first time I read his food reviews, some of which didn't add up. I give him credit for his effort and intentions, not so much some of the dogma or its influence on people and what they consequently thought they knew.
Yes, I agree, and have stated such more than once. I always believed that kmuda's intentions were honorable, unfortunately a lot of the information he supplied was presented as fact, and many people after reading his reviews accepted his comments as facts.
It also appears that his 6 star rating for Northfin is still listed on his site. Northfin is no longer listed on the side bar where all the manufacturers are listed, and I missed the 6 star rating. WoW, not sure if he's ok health wise, missing in action, or just asleep at the wheel, but he's certainly putting his neck out there when he states things such as; "This food does not contain Ethoxyquin (or any other questionable preservatives)," and after everything posted here lets those comments stand.
http://www.oscarfish.com/6-star-foods/962-northfin-fish-foods.html
It also appears that his 6 star rating for Northfin is still listed on his site. Northfin is no longer listed on the side bar where all the manufacturers are listed, and I missed the 6 star rating. WoW, not sure if he's ok health wise, missing in action, or just asleep at the wheel, but he's certainly putting his neck out there when he states things such as; "This food does not contain Ethoxyquin (or any other questionable preservatives)," and after everything posted here lets those comments stand.
http://www.oscarfish.com/6-star-foods/962-northfin-fish-foods.html
