Overflow doesn't have the holes for return nozzles (Help)

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
You've got the perfect silent, 100% failsafe overflow setup. The setup to end all setups. I did a beananimal overflow and would not ever considerer doing anything else on future builds.

Go over the top, then you've got unlimited options for return plumbing.

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I went over the top on my 90g, this is all you can see on the tank, one black nozzle 1/2" under the water in each corner.

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I get the vibe you are making this more complicated than it needs to be. I do understand your desire to have a clean look, we can help you with either over the top returns or through the back, heck even through the overflow. We just want to see you happy with it.

It can be intimidating to set up your first overflow, but once you get it figured out it really isn't bad. So you need to decide, will you be happy with over the top? Or do you want it through the back or overflow?



That is a fairly good link, however there are a couple problems that come up with a herbie having a trickle in the second pipe. One, the second pipe needs to be able to handle as much as or more water than the full siphon in case of a clog. If some of the water is going down the emergency line, the siphon isn't handling everything and may get backed up if it needs to go full siphon. Two, with a trickle of water going down the emergency line you run the risk of something getting into that line as well blocking it up.

I will say, these things tend to happen much more with reef and planted tanks, but it is something to consider. In the process of setting my tank up I had a couple times where the siphon was closed too much and the emergency kicked in. I was very glad to have it running to take all the extra water. Something to consider!



Hard to tell from the pics, but it looks like you have either 1.5" or 1.75" drains, I imagine 1.5". In either case, those will flow a boat load of water.

So it comes down to how do you want to do this? As I've mentioned, if you want the clean look, drill two holes, one on either side of the overflow and go that route with a bean style overflow. Or you can go up over the top if you dont want to drill. Either one would be pretty simple to accomplish.

Can we see some more pics of the tank? A full tank shot maybe? This tank seems amazing, I'd love something similar.

Here is a pic of my 5x3x2. My external overflow is on the side of tank and I have got to my final decision, I will go over the top!!! How would I plumb it?
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You've got the perfect silent, 100% failsafe overflow setup. The setup to end all setups. I did a beananimal overflow and would not ever considerer doing anything else on future builds.

Go over the top, then you've got unlimited options for return plumbing.

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I went over the top on my 90g, this is all you can see on the tank, one black nozzle 1/2" under the water in each corner.

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Nice! Do u have pics of your top overflow?
 
Dang, that is a really cool tank! I had a 60x48x24" tank for a while that I never got to set up. I've jealous of yours! It appears that in the pic above there is a small cutout between the lids? I'd run a return to it, down into the water and then to a split, one direction forward the other back. It should be pretty easy to do.
 
I get the vibe you are making this more complicated than it needs to be. I do understand your desire to have a clean look, we can help you with either over the top returns or through the back, heck even through the overflow. We just want to see you happy with it.

It can be intimidating to set up your first overflow, but once you get it figured out it really isn't bad. So you need to decide, will you be happy with over the top? Or do you want it through the back or overflow?



That is a fairly good link, however there are a couple problems that come up with a herbie having a trickle in the second pipe. One, the second pipe needs to be able to handle as much as or more water than the full siphon in case of a clog. If some of the water is going down the emergency line, the siphon isn't handling everything and may get backed up if it needs to go full siphon. Two, with a trickle of water going down the emergency line you run the risk of something getting into that line as well blocking it up.

I will say, these things tend to happen much more with reef and planted tanks, but it is something to consider. In the process of setting my tank up I had a couple times where the siphon was closed too much and the emergency kicked in. I was very glad to have it running to take all the extra water. Something to consider!



Hard to tell from the pics, but it looks like you have either 1.5" or 1.75" drains, I imagine 1.5". In either case, those will flow a boat load of water.

So it comes down to how do you want to do this? As I've mentioned, if you want the clean look, drill two holes, one on either side of the overflow and go that route with a bean style overflow. Or you can go up over the top if you dont want to drill. Either one would be pretty simple to accomplish.

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Agreed on your points about the Herbie, and I'm aware of the risks. I thought the origin of Herbie was having the trickle which actually is also used to quiet the primary/full siphon drain? For me, I also have a third dry stand-by as well (BeanAn.).- so the second trickle should not be an issue. Again, from what I read, the trickle for Herbie actually helps for adjustments to silence the drains.

Nice tank, OP! I think having the three drains well work well for you. I think you got the pictures you need but I can share if you want some ideas...
 
If the drain of a herbie is pulling a full siphon it shouldn't make any noise, besides maybe the flow into the overflow. The problem with the herbie is that it isnt stable, it requires frequent adjusting to keep the water at the proper level. Mine tends to be about once a week.

And that is where the third trickle pipe comes in on a bean animal overflow. It takes the trickle and makes it so the system is self adjusting. Flows a little more the pipe takes it, flows a little less the siphon handles it. Plus you still have the dry emergency for when things get bad. Sure, its a bit redundant, but better safe than sorry. Water on the floor is never fun.
 
Agreed on your points about the Herbie, and I'm aware of the risks. I thought the origin of Herbie was having the trickle which actually is also used to quiet the primary/full siphon drain? For me, I also have a third dry stand-by as well (BeanAn.).- so the second trickle should not be an issue. Again, from what I read, the trickle for Herbie actually helps for adjustments to silence the drains.

Nice tank, OP! I think having the three drains well work well for you. I think you got the pictures you need but I can share if you want some ideas...

Can u give me a idea how to plumb my tank?
-Thanks
 
My bean animal setup has been running since November and I have not touched my gate valve once since I set up the tank. Not once! I probably shoukd spin it around some so it doesnt seize up lol.

Heres some pics of my over the top return

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You'll need a couple 45° bends to clear the stand from the sump. Not a straight shot versus using a typical return in a reef ready tank. I don't think much of this applies to your unique (badass) tank.

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Here's a pic of the finished product up top. Its a 1.5" pipe that goes into a tee to a par of 1" nozzles. High volume, minimal bends.

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Here's a pic of the early stages of the plumbing process

Make sure you use some unions somewhere in the plumbing near the pump to make removal easy.

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My bean animal setup has been running since November and I have not touched my gate valve once since I set up the tank. Not once! I probably shoukd spin it around some so it doesnt seize up lol.

Heres some pics of my over the top return

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You'll need a couple 45° bends to clear the stand from the sump. Not a straight shot versus using a typical return in a reef ready tank. I don't think much of this applies to your unique (badass) tank.

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Here's a pic of the finished product up top. Its a 1.5" pipe that goes into a tee to a par of 1" nozzles. High volume, minimal bends.

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Here's a pic of the early stages of the plumbing process

Make sure you use some unions somewhere in the plumbing near the pump to make removal easy.

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Thanks for the pic. Love your setup!!!

The ideal of returns over the top I hate it because In my pic u can see that my lids fit right in the tops and I want the lid to be close all the way..

If I do over the top, the lid can't be on all the way 20150313_003604.jpg

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