pairing big angels ?!!

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i need to read more about angels .. ( behaves - care - habits - moods - health - nutrition - disease - etc .. )

so if any one have good sites about angels hat would be so great of him to post or send pm ..
 
i had a 2 year old silver already has a big hump probally getting to old but righ twhen i threw in a silver full of eggs they breed the next day...
 
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227800 for starters you should read lupins sticky thread on angel profiles..so much info...i also found this..After they grow to about two inches (5cm) round, 8 to 12 months old, a female will become gravid -- IF your water is right, and the tank isn't too crowded. She and a male will flash fins, face off, lock mouths and twist. A happy pair may groom each other and jointly start to clean the spawning slate.
It's good to allow a young pair to spawn a few times before moving them, or they may lose the urge. If they're already in a breeding tank, move the others. Don't be alarmed if they eat the first few spawns.
Angels don't mate for life. Save a few other adults to replace a breeder that dies or is unsuitable. Partition tanks with plastic to protect new-comers, slower-swimming fish with long fins, or injured fish. I use light-panel lens material from the local builders' supply, cut slightly large and wedged in place. If you worry about circulation, use the open grid type.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Breeding Behaviour [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Angelfish usually pair up and start showing spawning behaviour between the ages of 8 and 12 months, but for more delicate, slow-growing colour forms, it may take longer. When a pair is beginning to form, the two fish may take part in short jaw locking “battles,” but will soon turn their attentions to chasing away the other tank mates. Unlike many other cichlids, Angels rarely display to one another. Instead, they spend a lot of time swimming side by side, and defending “their” area of the tank from other fish. Either the pair or the tank mates may need to be removed at this point. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tank Set Up [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The breeding tank should be at least 18 inches in height, and have a capacity not less than 20 gallons as an absolute minimum. 30 gallons is better, as it allows space to start growing out the fry as well. The set up will vary from breeder to breeder, but most find it preferable to leave the tank without substrate to allow for more sterile conditions. A mature sponge filter, heater and some broad leaved live or plastic plants complete the set up. Since Angels usually choose vertical surfaces to lay their eggs, some breeders use pieces of slate in the breeding tank as spawning sites. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Angels do best in warmer water, so the heater should be set for between 80 and 85 degrees F (27 – 29C). If the water is on the soft and acidic side, so much the better, but these days, fancy Angels have been tank bred for so many generations that they will usually spawn easily enough in most tap water. The exception of course is wild caught fish, or those not many generations removed from wild caught stock. They will still require soft and acidic water to spawn successfully. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Spawning [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The pair will choose a spawning site and begin cleaning it with their teeth. Their ovipositors will be visible, which means this is the earliest chance we have to reliably sex the pair. The males ovipositor is smaller and more pointed in shape than that of the female. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Two or three days after the cleaning commences, spawning begins. The female lays rows of eggs on the spawning site, and the male follows behind her, fertilizing them. It is worth mentioning that two female Angels will sometimes form a false pair, going through the pairing and spawning motions. Obviously, the eggs will not be viable in cases such as these. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When spawning is complete, there will usually be several hundred eggs there, and there may be as many as 1,200 if the pair is mature and in good condition. The eggs are particularly delicate in the first 24 hours, until the outer layer hardens. Any eggs which are infertile will turn white over the first day or two. Viable ones will be translucent. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hatching [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Once spawning is complete, the breeder has two options: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• Leave the eggs with the parents and let them guard them. Angels, like most Cichlids, are good parents, at least in theory. Many years of having been intensively tank bred has weakened the parental instinct, so some pairs do not parent their own spawns at all. Young pairs may need several tries at spawning to get the eggs to hatch. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• Remove the eggs and hatch them artificially. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If the eggs are to be left with the parents, try and minimize disturbance in and around the tank. Water changes should be carried out as usual, but vacuum away from the spawning site and pour the clean water into the tank very gently. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If the parents seem to be eating the eggs, don't worry about it at first. Good parents will clean the eggs and remove infertile ones, so may appear to be eating them when they aren't. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you wish to try hatching the eggs artificially, you'll need some large jars and/or a hatching tank. Use clean, dechlorinated tap water, and maintain the temperature at around 80 F (27C). In colder climates, the temperature can be maintained by keeping the jars inside the hatching/grow out tank. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If your Angels have chosen a plant leaf or piece of slate on which to spawn, you'll be able to transfer the eggs quickly and easily to the jar. Don't allow them to be exposed to the air for more than a few seconds. Angel eggs are light sensitive, so it's better to keep them in the dark for a greater success rate. The best way to achieve this is to use methylene blue solution to darken the water in the jar. The water should be tinted very dark blue, and this will not cause harm to the eggs. In fact, although methylene blue will not stop fungus, it seems to slow the spread of it if it does occur. The final addition should be an air stone, placed underneath the eggs to create a strong water flow. This replaces the fanning actions normally carried out by the parents. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Raising The Fry [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]All being well, the first fry will be free swimming on day 6, and all of the spawn be free swimming by day 7, when feeding should begin. It is important not to start feeding until the fry are free swimming. If live baby brine shrimp is to be used as the first food, the culture should be started on day 5. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Live baby brine shrimp is the best food for newly hatched Angel fry. Microworms also make a good supplement to their diet. Frozen brine shrimp is a decent substitute for the live version. At a push, commercial dried fry foods can be used, but they aren't really comparable to baby brine shrimp as a first food. The fry should be fed several times a day, if possible. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Exceptionally clean water is of great importance for Angel fry, and since feeding should be frequent, water can become polluted easily. When raising my own fry, I do daily partial water changes of about 30%, but 50% a week should be about the minimum considered. Some breeders raising vast quantities of fry will carry out daily water changes of up to 200%! [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After about three weeks or so, the fry can be weaned onto frozen adult brine shrimp and crushed flake food. By this time, they should look like real, miniature Angelfish, and it may be a good idea to separate them according to size so that the smaller ones don't find it so difficult to compete for food. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It should be noted that some colour forms of Angel are more delicate than others. These strains include Blushers, German Reds, Double Blacks and Albinos, and the mortality rates will be higher among these spawns. Silver, Gold and heterozygous Marbles are the hardiest and quickest growing of the colour forms. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Author: Scarlet this is the basics... the rest is up to the fish... [/FONT]

 
what about the tank dimensions i need to know it cus i am going to order glass sections from the glass factory now so i wanna know the L x W x H

can a tank with

L x W x H

50 cm x 30 cm x 40 cm = 60 liters

work fin for breeding a pair ??!
 
GODZALLA;2936280; said:
what about the tank dimensions i need to know it cus i am going to order glass sections from the glass factory now so i wanna know the L x W x H

can a tank with

L x W x H

50 cm x 30 cm x 40 cm = 60 liters

work fin for breeding a pair ??!
I was going to answer your previous post pertaining the dimensions this morning but circumstances prevented me from doing so. Okay, for that post quoted above, the tank height is too low. Do bear in mind, it is not only the parents who will dominate the tank but their fry as well and you should expect more than a hundred fry to survive the ordeals if you really want everyone to survive. If I were you, I'd get a tank with dimensions of 24x18x18 in inch measure. That's plenty enough space for them at a temporary basis but do bear in mind, you are still going to accommodate the number of fry so get a few more tanks ready as they grow. You need to partition the number of fry as they grow or else you'll find yourself culling the runts due to overcrowded conditions.
 
Sorry for rushing u .. i just called the glass Shop now and i was going to order it as it ll be here after 2 days .. i don't know why .. may be cus it is a small amount so any way

i ll make a new tank with this D. ..

60 x 45 x 45 if it goes well i ll make other 3 but 2 of them are less in length 50 instead of 60 but can go more as for height ..

and as growing tank for all fry there is a 108 liters tank and going to make a new one 88 liters

Thanks Liz for the info ..
 
my old male got paired with another female .. they started to take corner in the tank and stay at it most of time .. and the male is so aggressive he chase other angels away and close them in the opposite corner .. so i left them for 2 days to make sure that they are pair .. on the second day i saw the female belly bigger ..

so i moved them in a 50 liters tank with 40 cm height 2day is the second day too .. so the last 2 days the male was picking somethings from the glass all over the tank ..

but he looks strange like he is so nervous making sudden movements forward and backward and in the middle of move moving his head right and left ..

while the female most of day standing in the corner behind the sponge filter and the heater with her face upward and sticking her body to the glass .. and the male go to her every few seconds then came back out ...

right now they are moving together fast all over the back glass piece and the female sticking her body to the glass while going and back .. while sometimes the male swim with her soo close ..

although there is a cone ( like that of discus ) in the middle of the tank but they did not came near it even ..

so how do u explain that ??

i noticed other couples in the main tank ( 108 liters with a height of almost 50 cm ) but this morning i found a dead one behind the sponge filter .. do not know why although i am doing water change every day like 2 liter or more change a day ( that the system i follow with all my tanks specially cichlids tanks ) )

so ?? * Hint : they are nervous don't know why although my room is far from the rest of house and no one enter it except me and i am covering the main sides of tank with newspaper *
 
They are nervous because you removed them from the main tank that they called home.. now they have to adjust and settle into this home... they are stressing.. fish do not just accept a new place one, two, three... just leave them be and have patience...
 
the breeding tank :

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the angel main tank :

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video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hn9aYYXZrw
 
looks good.. do you have a place for them to put the eggs... i use a fake plant with wide leaves and also a piece of slate . i let them choose ... this way i can remove the eggs with out disturbing anything if needed.. sometimes i take the plant or slate with the eggs and place it in another tank if i know the parents will eat them... if you see them cleaning a spot or area then female is getting ready to lay the eggs..also check the pressure on your airstone.. with eggs you want a fine mist.
 
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