progress of the aro noob

[Miguel]

To be honest, what does this even have to do with being a new hobbyist? Why would i NOT suspect the tank was unfiltered if I was unable to see the HOB? Whether or not he's new or not isn't even relevant in this case. If I missed the HOB on the back, I would obviously ask to make sure as it doesn't hurt to confirm. If I was going to be a complete ass about it, I wouldn't have asked in such a casual way, or even asked at all.

I do not agree with you, but at the very least this has the merit of getting us to converse on this growing issue.

Imho, asking about such an obvious, must have, item ( as a filter ), when filters were not the object of the discussion, is trying to find fault in the other persons presentation ( post, OP, whatever ).

People should be aware that a considerable amount of newbies just give up on posting, due to some degree of "belittling" that they ( justifiably or unjustifiably )perceive in the replies of some, more experienced, keepers.

You guys may not be aware of it, but we Mods get increasing feed-back on that issue.

So, please, let us not forget that we also started, and asked less inteligent questions, and let us all move on

 

[HungDang]

there is more than 1 way to feed him live and nutritious food ! before I come to US, I used to breed guppies and mollies to feed my big fishes. Those small fish can eat pellets easy, so i feed them nutritious foods, and the nutrition will transfer to the fish that eat them !

 

[Juxtaroberto]

Variety is definitely important, but a pellet food from a reputable company will contain all of the nutrients required by the fish. Gutloaded crickets are definitely good every few days (although I don't see how the arowana would "hunt" a cricket, since it basically just uselessly floats at the surface). Feeding live fish is always a risk, unless you breed and raise them yourself. They could carry disease, and all carp contain high levels of an enzyme called thiaminase, which makes thiamin, AKA vitamin B, unavailable to the organism. A lot of of the bigger carnivorous mammals do need to hunt to let off some steam, both physically and mentally, but this isn't a problem with fish (or most reptiles, for that matter). With today's fish food, letting a fish hunt is purely done for the enjoyment of the keeper, and should therefore be done only very, very rarely. After all, I don't think the risk of making your fish sick equals the pleasure you'd get out of watching your aro chase down feeders.

The aro being in the 20 for those few days would not have been nearly enough to stunt it, and I doubt it's the pH either. You'll just have to wait for it to grow some and see what it turns out to be.

 

[Juxtaroberto]

there is more than 1 way to feed him live and nutritious food ! before I come to US, I used to breed guppies and mollies to feed my big fishes. Those small fish can eat pellets easy, so i feed them nutritious foods, and the nutrition will transfer to the fish that eat them !

This is true, but what do you do when you've got a 3' arowana that only wants live? It would be impractical to breed the quantity of mollies required to sustain such a large fish.

You've also got trophic levels to think about. Only 10% of the energy moves from one level to the next, meaning you'd feed the mollies ten times as much to support the arowana, than if you just fed the pellets to the arowana in the first place.

Of course, to the OP, don't try to convert your arowana to pellets right now. It might die of hunger. Wait until it hits 1 foot in length (which should only be in 5 months or so), and then try to convert to pellets. At that size, they can go for a month, easy, without eating, without any risk to its health.

 

[mrs.dayak]

That sounds like good advice. I do intend to breed some mollies since it is so easy and the kids will love it...didn't realize the hunt could harm the aro though :S Also didn't think of the cricket floating...i'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, as you can see
Once the aro adapts to pellets is it wise to let them eat ANYTHING live?
As it grows, don't you feed it larger feeder fish, as opposed to mollies? I wouldn't mind breeding, and I have a friend offering me a free 30 gal tank that could be used for breeding slightly larger fish...not much though. Hmmm...so much to think about...fun stuff though. Sorry if i'm being a bit pesty :S

 

[Bderick67]

I do not agree with you, but at the very least this has the merit of getting us to converse on this growing issue.

Imho, asking about such an obvious, must have, item ( as a filter ), when filters were not the object of the discussion, is trying to find fault in the other persons presentation ( post, OP, whatever ).

People should be aware that a considerable amount of newbies just give up on posting, due to some degree of "belittling" that they ( justifiably or unjustifiably )perceive in the replies of some, more experienced, keepers.

You guys may not be aware of it, but we Mods get increasing feed-back on that issue.

So, please, let us not forget that we also started, and asked less inteligent questions, and let us all move on

Miguel you must've missed the OP's second post, which is the 4th post of the thread.

what do you guys think of fluval canister fx5 as its filteration, they say its rated for up to 400G aquarium?

I though the reason for the thread was he was asking about a filter for the new 55g tank.

 

[mrs.dayak]

It is a bit larger than 55 g, but regardless, we're building for the next couple of months' new addition. I would like 300 g or larger...larger...larger. Bomber is going to be our advisor for this endeavor, and i've subscribed to a post for silent sump pump setups as well. I can't wait! With our efforts, the knowledge of all of you wonderful MFK'rs, and these wonderful children we gots runnin round singing to us all there is no way we can fail!
Really wish i could have that 20 ft long aquarium someone posted for our viewing pleasure. Man, that thing makes my heart pound!!!

 

[dayak]

Miguel you must've missed the OP's second post, which is the 4th post of the thread.



I though the reason for the thread was he was asking about a filter for the new 55g tank.

that specific post u pointed out is my post about fx5?
thats because im very much unhappy with that dinky AC110 bomber spotted, i dug up my old pile after that pic taken and add sponge filter 660.
its 20 freaking gallon with stand, r u happy
the reason of the thread is THE PROGRESS OF THE ARO NOOB., hence development of the aro and his housing/sanitation, his mate, his food.
to whoever think it got no filter to the pic i provided in the first pic, i understand its low quality pic taken with cellphone..but its there it you pay more attention the right corner behined the glare of reflection of our yard

 

[Bderick67]

You posted a pic of your new tank(which has no apparent filter at first glance) then in your very next post asked about a filter. Why wouldn't anyone with reasonable logic figure you were asking about a filter because it would be going on the new tank you got?

that specific post u pointed out is my post about fx5?
thats because im very much unhappy with that dinky AC110 bomber spotted, i dug up my old pile after that pic taken and add sponge filter 660.
its 20 freaking gallon with stand, r u happy
the reason of the thread is THE PROGRESS OF THE ARO NOOB., hence development of the aro and his housing/sanitation, his mate, his food.
to whoever think it got no filter to the pic i provided in the first pic, i understand its low quality pic taken with cellphone..but its there it you pay more attention the right corner behined the glare of reflection of our yard

What exactly is this supposed to mean? The pic I am referring to is the one posted of your new tank.

 

[mrs.dayak]

Bderick, i think the point is that we used a 20 g tank to originally house the arowana. It was a very temporary arrangement, but despite that, there was alot of disbelief and flaming that we would do such a thing. Even the larger tank is temporary for these fish, while we build up.
I'm trying very hard to diffuse the filtration and original tank set up issues, and glean knowledge from you, and everyone else here. So far we're doing good!
Please, no more sniping here. That means OP, too.
I would love your input on decent filtration. As i've mentioned, i've always overdone filtration in my community tanks. Bomber is going to advise us on a decent sump pump set up for our near-future tank. I've subscribed to a recent thread about silent sump set ups, which absolutely rocks! (Will give credit to the OP of that thread very soon)
What do you think? I want a 300 gal minimum by the end of february. If 300 gal is all i can find between now and then, that's what it will be, but only until i can find something larger.
I've noticed that with patience, one can find some screaming deals on craigslist, and a temporary tank can be quite easily turned for a profit. Do you agree?