Purposely Overstock to Sell . Right or Wrong

[pupumole]

because who cares!

if you dont care about this discussion , why are u reading and posting on here
if you dont care what people do with their fish /money, well, i care... because fish are lives , and should be treated in a certain way.
if you dont care about the well being of fish, then you dont deserve to be a fish keeper.
if you dont care if people are treating wild caught fish as if they r just manufactured products, thats how fish becomes extinct

i love how someone will defend something like this ... its like the movie 300 .. just wont give up ...



but remember what happened to the 300 in the end ...


sometimes its a fight that cannot be won ..

you seem to lack any real logic .. and thus .. pointless to to fight with you .. so .. good luck with you views .. maybe one day you will see how the world works .. and grow up ..

ummm okay, i never watched 300 but thats fiction. at least use historical facts to try to make a point ? like Martin Luther King Jr. defended his rights, and look at the changes he has made. Being persistence can get things done.

my logic is that fish keepers/hobbyist/pet owners should love fish . simple as that. very straightforward. if you dont love your fish, why keep them . if you are using fish as a profiting tool, then you dont deserve to be a fish keeper/hobbyist/ pet owner, and you become a business man.

now wheres YOUR logic? first u brought up that if we buy stuff straight from the source, economy will collapse. okay ... i agree to that, and like i said, let everyone have their share of the pie, while as fish keepers ( consumers) , we should let retailer profit from u. second u say to go blah blah blah to pickup ur ray for cheaper. well okay... thats fine, because that ray has already paid the retailer his fair share of profit by the previous owner(while the 250 dollar ray at the lfs stays there for another buyer to buy) . but if u buy lots from a retailer then resell it at higher price, that profit shouldve been the retailer's . make sense? and then u take my 1400 pbass as an example that doesnt proof u anything. like i said, i've kept that bass for a long time, cost goes up, and i was open to all reasonable offer so that price really didnt matter ( or if u want, i can say its solely for the purpose of fulfilling the buy/sell forum rule while warding off lowballers) i dunno where YOUR logic are....

 

[SemperFish]

Your points are contradictory. The argument makes no sense because if you are in it for profit you are not a hobbyist you are a business. You might not be a big corporation but you are making a business decision. If you are a hobbyist acting like a business but insisting youre not then you are just confused and therein lies the problem. This debate is not nearly as clever as you may have originally thought. The real ethical question is "who are you to tell a business how to conduct themselves. who are you, to tell another hobbyist what is ethical?" If I buy 50 fish to save a dollar on the one I want I am a fool. This isnt a revolution, dont feel you have to liberate your imprisoned fish buddies from the evil vendor.
Business is business, lets not pretend they are anything but that. Granted that there are other intrinsic values that we may factor into our decisions but the stores dont. For example, I often spend a little bit more for things at my local store than I would if i went down the road to petsmart, because I like to support small businesses. That action has value to me. I dont pretend for a minute though that they are not in it for my money.
Well its 4 in the morning here so Im going to stop ranting because I dont know how coherent Im being.

 

[Iffrat]

Historical accuracy

300's director Zack Snyder stated in an MTV interview that "the events are 90 percent accurate. It's just in the visualization that it's crazy.... I've shown this movie to world-class historians who have said it's amazing. They can't believe it's as accurate as it is." He continues that the film is "an opera, not a documentary. That's what I say when people say it's historically inaccurate."[79] He was also quoted in a BBC News story as saying that the film is, at its core "a fantasy film." He also describes the film's narrator, Dilios, as "a guy who knows how not to wreck a good story with truth."[11]


so based off of historic facts .. well 90% was fact ...



and my logic is ..



ITS MY MONEY!!!!!!!!! I WILL SPEND IT HOW I WANT!!!!!!!!


now you have been told over and over you dont make any since .. your opinion jumps around all over the place .. and you make no since .. i dont know how many more people need to say it!!

 

[Dragon Hunter]

ummm okay, i never watched 300 but thats fiction. at least use historical facts to try to make a point ? like Martin Luther King Jr. defended his rights, and look at the changes he has made. Being persistence can get things done.

my logic is that fish keepers/hobbyist/pet owners should love fish . simple as that. very straightforward. if you dont love your fish, why keep them . if you are using fish as a profiting tool, then you dont deserve to be a fish keeper/hobbyist/ pet owner, and you become a business man.

now wheres YOUR logic? first u brought up that if we buy stuff straight from the source, economy will collapse. okay ... i agree to that, and like i said, let everyone have their share of the pie, while as fish keepers ( consumers) , we should let retailer profit from u. second u say to go blah blah blah to pickup ur ray for cheaper. well okay... thats fine, because that ray has already paid the retailer his fair share of profit by the previous owner(while the 250 dollar ray at the lfs stays there for another buyer to buy) . but if u buy lots from a retailer then resell it at higher price, that profit shouldve been the retailer's . make sense? and then u take my 1400 pbass as an example that doesnt proof u anything. like i said, i've kept that bass for a long time, cost goes up, and i was open to all reasonable offer so that price really didnt matter ( or if u want, i can say its solely for the purpose of fulfilling the buy/sell forum rule while warding off lowballers) i dunno where YOUR logic are....

5 scores and seven years ago...... I had a dream that a all fish will will treated equally and not be sold for profit.

 

[yogurt_21]

Historical accuracy

300's director Zack Snyder stated in an MTV interview that "the events are 90 percent accurate. It's just in the visualization that it's crazy.... I've shown this movie to world-class historians who have said it's amazing. They can't believe it's as accurate as it is." He continues that the film is "an opera, not a documentary. That's what I say when people say it's historically inaccurate."[79] He was also quoted in a BBC News story as saying that the film is, at its core "a fantasy film." He also describes the film's narrator, Dilios, as "a guy who knows how not to wreck a good story with truth."[11]


so based off of historic facts .. well 90% was fact ...



and my logic is ..



ITS MY MONEY!!!!!!!!! I WILL SPEND IT HOW I WANT!!!!!!!!


now you have been told over and over you dont make any since .. your opinion jumps around all over the place .. and you make no since .. i dont know how many more people need to say it!!

ok I'm sorry this has to be addressed, a director is not a historian, nor is he a reliable source for historical events. An mtv interview and his hearsay words do not count. The movie 300 was a fictional film based on a fictional graphic novel based on a fictional letter from a fictional survivior of a historical event. (count the times removed there bud). How much was history and how much was fiction can be debated but the fact that fiction is in there negates it's use as a basis for argument.


that said I'm a firm believer that as long as you're not purposely selling fish to people who won't take care of them properly go ahead and make your profit. If a retailert sells fish using a bulk discount it's because they are acting as a supplier as well as a retailer. There's no way a retailer would sell 50 fish at a discount and think that someone won't try to resell them. They are giving that discount because you helped them clear space and move more items at once. They got the fish from a supplier who also knew they would be resold for profit.

make your dollars and support your families, just make sure you ask some questions before selling to make sure you're not purposely supporting bad fish keepers.

 

[BRYANT]

Pupumole, so you're saying fish keepers shouldn't spend money the way they want but the way you want them to spend it? What's wrong with buying a big batch of fish to select the kind of shape, pattern, color, etc for yourself and selling the extras to others for a cheaper price? What's the point of this whole thread? So that none of us hobbyists can spend money for our fish but the way you want us to?

 

[koop171]

don't think that the vendors are not making any profit selling the fish in bulk for less money. If they weren't making money they wouldn't sell them at the lower price. I'm not against buying in bulk if you can house them. but I would buy bulk to hand pick the oddballs or the faster/slower growing ones to fit your tank better. then sell the rest. Depending on weather or not you need shipping selling the extras off to make back a little or more if possible isn't a bad deal some people just won't pay shipping and would love to see certain things come there way and not have to pay shipping cost.

so I say do it either way if you're doing it to make cash then ok but don't buy all the fish and jack your price up b/c you have the market cornered.

and if you're doing it to get a certain fish out of a group then do that also.

 

[stevenrox]

don't think that the vendors are not making any profit selling the fish in bulk for less money. If they weren't making money they wouldn't sell them at the lower price. I'm not against buying in bulk if you can house them. but I would buy bulk to hand pick the oddballs or the faster/slower growing ones to fit your tank better. then sell the rest. Depending on weather or not you need shipping selling the extras off to make back a little or more if possible isn't a bad deal some people just won't pay shipping and would love to see certain things come there way and not have to pay shipping cost.

so I say do it either way if you're doing it to make cash then ok but don't buy all the fish and jack your price up b/c you have the market cornered.

and if you're doing it to get a certain fish out of a group then do that also.

agreed it's illegal to actually have a "monopoly" over something in real life

 

[Peanut_Power]

So, it would be considered unethical, if I am following this right, for me to buy a large amount of fish from a vender/LFS and then take them to a fish auction and sell them again? Even though I might be bringing in fish that are super hard to get in the area, and spice up the variety of the auction?

I guess I'm unethical then. . . although I have yet to make a profit from it.

 

[krichardson]

if you dont care, why do you care that theres a "who cares" option for the who-cares-people. ^^:;

LOL.

who are you, me, or anybody else to say that they should or shouldnt? this is a classic case of "mind your own damn business"

He's very concerned about the plight of the dats and he wants to save them.I dont know what his efforts will accomplish but I commend him.