Red saum

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btw, I can confidently say that you paid wayy too much for that green terror. i've seen similar if not better looking males that were about 3 to 4 inches for 15 bucks a piece. shop around instead of getting ripped off by rapps. Rapps has some good fish but not everything he has is amazing.
 
if you feel you paid what you wanted for those fish then that's what matters. it's the opinion of certain people (myself included to be perfectly frank) that you paid quite a bit more for what are labeled as 'green terrors', 'saums', 'orange saums' and what not in the hobby. i have never brought from rapps before, but he has good stuff there. like someone said, not everything is worth the price he may be asking for, but again that is up to individual opinion.

if you lined up 10 pictures of different green terrors / gold / orange / red saums and asked 50 people on this forum what they thought they were, i would dare say that you will probably not get a consensus on what the 10 fish actually want to be called.

as green terra said, show me the genetic evidence that the red / orange saum and green terrors are different fish then we have a sound argument there. otherwise to me it's all just marketing... it's like how some discus can be called spotted, leopards, penangs, eruptions etc. etc. fish breeding is a business, and at the end of the day the call of the $$ is strong ;)
 
Have been reading this thread forever and it's turning out to be another respectocon sort!!
Okay dude, you have got yourself a 'red saum' from rapps... fine.... but a lot of us has seen better gold saums with redder fins in not so happening LFS all over the world. So if you are happy in whatever you got in whatever price from whatever source... it's your fish and you should be happy with it.
A bit off the track... I had read earlier in some thread that rapps had sold a trimac which was clearly a low grade FH... and later even rapps admitted the goof up in an email form! Rapps sure has some fine specimen from whatever I have seen so far, but he's a man... moreover a businessman afterall!
 
It's a nice wild A. sp. "gold saum". Leave it at that.

This just highlights the whole problem with common names. Anything can be called anything.
 
you can't tell people nothing sometimes , like you said rapps is a man and so are you so do not act like u do not make mistakes
 
There won't be any proof until 1) the genus gets described (remember all members of the blue acara group, which includes green terrors and saums, are orphaned atm) and 2) the fish in question gets scientificly described. Even if they were orginally 3 differant species, they certainly are all now muggled together much like the differant convict species are. Right now it's all opinion until a scientist gets working on this group of fish.

Personally, I don't believe the slight differances in scale patterns and fin color between red saums and gold saums is enough to merit them being differant species, though obviously enough to be called differant color variations. But then I also didn't think convicts needed to be split into 4 differant species either ... so what do I know? :screwy:

The few (2 only) red saums I've seen were deffinately differant enough in person that I would own one over a normal gold saum, paying more for the differant scalation pattern alone. I just think until the scientists sort it out, treat each of the 3 saums as seperate species (even though I don't think they are). If we are wrong, we are preventing hybrids that way and avoiding another convict mess.
 
darth pike;1957566; said:
There won't be any proof until 1) the genus gets described (remember all members of the blue acara group, which includes green terrors and saums, are orphaned atm) and 2) the fish in question gets scientificly described. Even if they were orginally 3 differant species, they certainly are all now muggled together much like the differant convict species are. Right now it's all opinion until a scientist gets working on this group of fish.

Personally, I don't believe the slight differances in scale patterns and fin color between red saums and gold saums is enough to merit them being differant species, though obviously enough to be called differant color variations. But then I also didn't think convicts needed to be split into 4 differant species either ... so what do I know? :screwy:

The few (2 only) red saums I've seen were deffinately differant enough in person that I would own one over a normal gold saum, paying more for the differant scalation pattern alone. I just think until the scientists sort it out, treat each of the 3 saums as seperate species (even though I don't think they are). If we are wrong, we are preventing hybrids that way and avoiding another convict mess.
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Well said, i belive its a colour varient, just not alot in it......

In the end what ever it is, enjoy them:D
 
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