Crawling out of something that I know you can understand...wow. What does this sound like to you? "Has anyone here ordered from Fengshui in Thailand?"..."If so anyone bought any Red Texas frys from him? Thanx Im looking to get a bunch at $25 a piece, I really want some opinions before I order a batch. " You clearly have never ordered from Fengshui before and yet you seem to put him listed as one of the "bad boys" of AB even though you never said anything, but your putting it in that situation if you would sit to read and listen to what your writing first. If he wish to order the frys, then let him order the frys. He is clearly asking if Fengshui is a reputable seller and not asking if the frys will be crap quality frys or what not. If he decides to order the larger juveniles, then he can make that decision. And when did I ever say that those fish will come out to be like how he wanted them to be? Point it out to me where did I say that? And your making it sound like you've bought those batches from Fengshui before and make it sound like they are crap. So since your assuming that I never grew any of them out...have you grown any of them out RD.? And who ever said anything about ALL of them being high end quality...check please.
Red Texas frys from Thailand
- Thread starter Calihawk
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Thanx for the info guys, Im glad to hear the great experiences with ordering from Nate and co. I asked because my summertime is almost over and once its over I'll have no time to acquire any more stock, Thanx again.
I already have some Andioacara Stalsbergi and Festaes on the list.
I already have some Andioacara Stalsbergi and Festaes on the list.
It sounds to me like he was asking for anyone that has experience buying RT fry from this seller.
And if you read further it should be clear as what type of quality & color he is looking for, and yes, he was asking about the quality of these fry, and if anyone had any experience as to how they turn out.
I have no idea what you are referring to as "bad boys" of AB, nor did I say that these juvies are crap. I think that someone needs to brush up on their reading comprehension skills. There is no need to be so defensive, you are reading FAR more into my comments than what is there.
Chris, you said:
If what you state is true, in that most of the larger RT's (non SB) come from the same parents, then perhaps you should take a closer look at some of his RT's posted by this vendor on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/siccmindz#p/u/50/tLpgHj_YEAA
That female is 9.5", and certainly NOT what I would personally consider "high quality", which is how he is describing his batch of fry for sale.
Here's another adult female at 8.5". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj47rWdHaH0
High quality?
Here's one at 6.5" that has yet to fade/peel, which is a reality with some RT fry - they either never fade or peel, or they only partially fade/peel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/siccmindz#p/u/49/gcLx8FVZtuo
Here's a juvie that I would consider of higher quality, but at the very end of the vid make note of the fish in the tank next to it. The difference between the two is night & day. http://www.youtube.com/user/siccmindz#p/u/9/lP_HDIQ8cjk
Most of the ones that I viewed in the 4.5" range are washed out orange in color, and not fully faded/peeled. I don't see anything even remotely close to the color red.
http://www.youtube.com/user/siccmindz#p/u/19/VAEyrVZTmAA
It has been my experience with RT's, that if the base color isn't there at 4-5", it never will be. RT's can fade/peel at later stages of their life, even at 8", but if the base color is orange at the 4-6" mark, it's always going to be orange. It may deepen with age, but it's still going to be orange, not red.
As stated previously, buying a small group of these 1" fry is going to be gamble, and I was simply pointing that out to the OP who I'm guessing has limited expereince with this breed of fish.
Good luck Calihawk with whatever you decide.
And if you read further it should be clear as what type of quality & color he is looking for, and yes, he was asking about the quality of these fry, and if anyone had any experience as to how they turn out.
I have no idea what you are referring to as "bad boys" of AB, nor did I say that these juvies are crap. I think that someone needs to brush up on their reading comprehension skills. There is no need to be so defensive, you are reading FAR more into my comments than what is there.
Chris, you said:
If what you state is true, in that most of the larger RT's (non SB) come from the same parents, then perhaps you should take a closer look at some of his RT's posted by this vendor on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/siccmindz#p/u/50/tLpgHj_YEAA
That female is 9.5", and certainly NOT what I would personally consider "high quality", which is how he is describing his batch of fry for sale.
Here's another adult female at 8.5". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj47rWdHaH0
High quality?
Here's one at 6.5" that has yet to fade/peel, which is a reality with some RT fry - they either never fade or peel, or they only partially fade/peel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/siccmindz#p/u/49/gcLx8FVZtuo
Here's a juvie that I would consider of higher quality, but at the very end of the vid make note of the fish in the tank next to it. The difference between the two is night & day. http://www.youtube.com/user/siccmindz#p/u/9/lP_HDIQ8cjk
Most of the ones that I viewed in the 4.5" range are washed out orange in color, and not fully faded/peeled. I don't see anything even remotely close to the color red.
http://www.youtube.com/user/siccmindz#p/u/19/VAEyrVZTmAA
It has been my experience with RT's, that if the base color isn't there at 4-5", it never will be. RT's can fade/peel at later stages of their life, even at 8", but if the base color is orange at the 4-6" mark, it's always going to be orange. It may deepen with age, but it's still going to be orange, not red.
As stated previously, buying a small group of these 1" fry is going to be gamble, and I was simply pointing that out to the OP who I'm guessing has limited expereince with this breed of fish.
Good luck Calihawk with whatever you decide.
So your doubting that they are the same parenting and really pressuring it that they don't got the chance of becoming those quality. Fengshui aka Dave is a good friend of mine...maybe I should get him to come on this board and be the one to walk away instead. I'll leave it at this...out.
Seriously, WTF are you talking about?
Go back & re-read my previous comments, it's crystal clear what I have been saying all along. All you've done is misread or failed to understand most of my comments in this discussion, and then attempted to put words in my mouth.
According to your comments on this forum you know every FH breeder in SE Asia, personally, as though you have actually sat down & had dinner with all of them & shared the secret inner workings of each their fish rooms. lol
Who said anything about different parenting? All I did was post links to a number of your cyber friends red texas, and then pointed out the obvious ........ that being that there is no way to guarantee the *quality* of all of the offspring @ 1" when breeding RT's.
Even though the vendor has his 1" fry listed on AB as "high quality", I'm rather certain that he would clearly understand exactly what I am saying, that being there is no guarantee on what any of those 1" fry will look like when they are fully mature. If he has photos or video of a large sampling of these 1" fry, grown out (other than what I have already posted links to), then by all means feel free to invite him here & he can supply that information. I have no problem with that.
All I have done is provided links to several of the RT's he has recently posted on youtube, as that's all I have to go on seeing as no one in this discussion has apparently bought any juvie RT's from this vendor, and actually grown them out.
Everyone here can make their own judgement as to the quality of his RT's, it's no skin off my nose how anyone defines "high quality" RT's, or how anyone spends their money.
Go back & re-read my previous comments, it's crystal clear what I have been saying all along. All you've done is misread or failed to understand most of my comments in this discussion, and then attempted to put words in my mouth.
According to your comments on this forum you know every FH breeder in SE Asia, personally, as though you have actually sat down & had dinner with all of them & shared the secret inner workings of each their fish rooms. lol
Who said anything about different parenting? All I did was post links to a number of your cyber friends red texas, and then pointed out the obvious ........ that being that there is no way to guarantee the *quality* of all of the offspring @ 1" when breeding RT's.
Even though the vendor has his 1" fry listed on AB as "high quality", I'm rather certain that he would clearly understand exactly what I am saying, that being there is no guarantee on what any of those 1" fry will look like when they are fully mature. If he has photos or video of a large sampling of these 1" fry, grown out (other than what I have already posted links to), then by all means feel free to invite him here & he can supply that information. I have no problem with that.
All I have done is provided links to several of the RT's he has recently posted on youtube, as that's all I have to go on seeing as no one in this discussion has apparently bought any juvie RT's from this vendor, and actually grown them out.
Everyone here can make their own judgement as to the quality of his RT's, it's no skin off my nose how anyone defines "high quality" RT's, or how anyone spends their money.
If you noticed I said most of them and not all, he uploaded several of them the other day that were all from the same parents.
But it all comes down to what ones definition of quality is. Are they master piece RT, by all means no but they certainly are not low quality. And as a whole they are better than Chris's fry, Chris does get a few nice ones but a good amount won't turn out as nice as then can.
All these are either from the same batch or same parents so I think its a decent representation of what can be thrown out. Notice the pearling it that standard silk garbage you see most nowadays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP_HDIQ8cjk&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK2CMg9SeEc&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMt4yMMDyt0&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYawjEhbXDo&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYawjEhbXDo&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6A2F6R2WDc&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aANle9o4wSM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aANle9o4wSM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_TWz1nmhO8&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEyrVZTmAA&feature=channel_video_title
But it all comes down to what ones definition of quality is. Are they master piece RT, by all means no but they certainly are not low quality. And as a whole they are better than Chris's fry, Chris does get a few nice ones but a good amount won't turn out as nice as then can.
All these are either from the same batch or same parents so I think its a decent representation of what can be thrown out. Notice the pearling it that standard silk garbage you see most nowadays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP_HDIQ8cjk&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK2CMg9SeEc&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMt4yMMDyt0&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYawjEhbXDo&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYawjEhbXDo&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6A2F6R2WDc&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aANle9o4wSM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aANle9o4wSM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_TWz1nmhO8&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEyrVZTmAA&feature=channel_video_title
I've seen all those, but unless you bred all those fish yourself there's no way in knowing if they all came from the same batch (or how many didn't turn out like those, or the number of culls that may have been involved), or if they just had the same parents. That information can make a hell of a difference in what can be referred to as a decent represantation of the spawns on a whole.
I'm just sitting on the outside looking in, I'm not judging Chris's (cjbarth) offspring as a whole, or this vendors, as only they would know what a fair represantion of their offspring is, or isn't. From what I have seen this vendor has had some nice juvies, as has Chris. Look at the juvie female RT in the following link, and compare it to some of Fengshui's confirmed females, even some of their adult females.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?402582-RT-female-x-Carpintis-male
Then factor in the cost, without transhipping fees even involved. Many of those 4-5" juvies that you posted are currently on AB for an opening bid of $230.00 At that price one could damn near buy a tank full of juvies from Chris, with from what I've seen a pretty good chance of getting a few very nice RT's. Not just one.
With some adult males from Chris potentially turning out like this;
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?411365-Red-Texas-abd-SB-Fader-Pair!
Again, I never said that Fengshui's fish are low quality, nothing even remotely close to that. I also never said that Chris's RT's on a whole are nicer than Fengshui's.
They might be, they might not be, I have no idea.
I just find it rather humerous that you would make a comment like the one below when you have never personally raised a large sample group from either of these breeders.
Calihawk is obviously free to do as he pleases, his money, his fish - but for myself I would personally put the money towards buying a decent size group of juvie 2-4" fish that were born & raised in the USA, with the potential of turning out to be very nice RT's, vs buying some 1" RT's born & raised in Bangkok, and taking what I would consider to be the same roll of the dice.
But that's just me ..........
I'm just sitting on the outside looking in, I'm not judging Chris's (cjbarth) offspring as a whole, or this vendors, as only they would know what a fair represantion of their offspring is, or isn't. From what I have seen this vendor has had some nice juvies, as has Chris. Look at the juvie female RT in the following link, and compare it to some of Fengshui's confirmed females, even some of their adult females.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?402582-RT-female-x-Carpintis-male
Then factor in the cost, without transhipping fees even involved. Many of those 4-5" juvies that you posted are currently on AB for an opening bid of $230.00 At that price one could damn near buy a tank full of juvies from Chris, with from what I've seen a pretty good chance of getting a few very nice RT's. Not just one.
With some adult males from Chris potentially turning out like this;
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?411365-Red-Texas-abd-SB-Fader-Pair!
Again, I never said that Fengshui's fish are low quality, nothing even remotely close to that. I also never said that Chris's RT's on a whole are nicer than Fengshui's.
They might be, they might not be, I have no idea.
I just find it rather humerous that you would make a comment like the one below when you have never personally raised a large sample group from either of these breeders.
Calihawk is obviously free to do as he pleases, his money, his fish - but for myself I would personally put the money towards buying a decent size group of juvie 2-4" fish that were born & raised in the USA, with the potential of turning out to be very nice RT's, vs buying some 1" RT's born & raised in Bangkok, and taking what I would consider to be the same roll of the dice.
But that's just me ..........
Lol if you trust the seller then its not a question whether the fish in question are from the same batch/parents, and I believe Dave when he says they are.
Dave and Nate have never given me a reason to not trust there word ever so if he says they are from the same parents/batch then they are. Hes not shady or untrustworthy like some sellers.....
Dave and Nate have never given me a reason to not trust there word ever so if he says they are from the same parents/batch then they are. Hes not shady or untrustworthy like some sellers.....
LOL, is right, I can't believe how dense some people are.
Even if they are from the same batch, and the same parents, that does not equate to ALL of the fry from that batch turning out to be "high quality" RT's. Every spawn of RT's will have some fish that never peel/fade, some that only partially fade/peel, some that will be nice RT's, and possibly some that will become high quality RT's. To ignore that basic fact only shows how little you understand about genetics & breeding RT's. A quick look at some of the RT's that Fengshui has listed on their youtube channel (which I have already posted links to) clearly
demonstrates this. The exact same thing would apply to those RT juvies produced by cjbarth. This has absolutely nothing to do with trust.
Even if they are from the same batch, and the same parents, that does not equate to ALL of the fry from that batch turning out to be "high quality" RT's. Every spawn of RT's will have some fish that never peel/fade, some that only partially fade/peel, some that will be nice RT's, and possibly some that will become high quality RT's. To ignore that basic fact only shows how little you understand about genetics & breeding RT's. A quick look at some of the RT's that Fengshui has listed on their youtube channel (which I have already posted links to) clearly
demonstrates this. The exact same thing would apply to those RT juvies produced by cjbarth. This has absolutely nothing to do with trust.
