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They are against a hobby that its destroying the natural ecosystem. Thats what conservation is... EX: I DO NOT agree with fishing asian Aros to extinction. Why whip out a magnificent species out of the wild simply for the fact that we want to look at them in a glass case, and some have them as a status symbol. I cant agree with that.
I know you have been around the block RD, and so have I. Extreme measures need to be taken when you believe in something strong enough, and nobody listens. I see them as activists, Terrorists on the other hand are extremists. The media gives PETA a bad name. Yes, you can nit-pick PETA until your blue in the face, But in all honesty the group has spread a good message and lets people know that there are people out there who do care. Alot of arguments I agree with and some I dont.
Trust me I feel for the Flowerhorns, They do deserve better than that. But at least they can move. At least they dont have there genitals butchered off with no anethsia. Then carve away half of their behinds so no poo gets stuck on the fur. At least flowerhorn are not beat in the head with a stick until they die, Then standing there seeing this happening to their brothers, sisters, friends, waiting for their turn to face the inevitable. That is a fate worse than death. Thats the most disgusting dishonrable horrible thing a person could ever do in my eyes. Maybee it is a little speciesism, But I feel for mammals more than I can for a fish.
The same one you do mate.
I know you have been around the block RD, and so have I. Extreme measures need to be taken when you believe in something strong enough, and nobody listens. I see them as activists, Terrorists on the other hand are extremists. The media gives PETA a bad name. Yes, you can nit-pick PETA until your blue in the face, But in all honesty the group has spread a good message and lets people know that there are people out there who do care. Alot of arguments I agree with and some I dont.
Trust me I feel for the Flowerhorns, They do deserve better than that. But at least they can move. At least they dont have there genitals butchered off with no anethsia. Then carve away half of their behinds so no poo gets stuck on the fur. At least flowerhorn are not beat in the head with a stick until they die, Then standing there seeing this happening to their brothers, sisters, friends, waiting for their turn to face the inevitable. That is a fate worse than death. Thats the most disgusting dishonrable horrible thing a person could ever do in my eyes. Maybee it is a little speciesism, But I feel for mammals more than I can for a fish.
RD.;4647989; said:
The same one you do mate.
Then they need to buy a clue - the fish keeping hobby is not destroying more than a tiny drop in the ocean of the natural ecosystem. If they really want to get behind something that might make a difference, then they should start looking at the real causes behind the decline of many fish species.
You mentioned Asian arowana (Scleropages formosus) - and you just proved how naive & misinformed a PETA supporter can be. Asian aros are NOT being wiped out from overfishing, they are being wiped out in the wild from habitat destruction. The environmental impact from gold mining, oil palm plantations, and logging (which apparently runs rampant even within national parks & protected forests) in the native range of the Asian aro (Kapuas River & its tributaries) will most likely place hundreds of species in jeopardy before they have even been discovered. None of this has anything to do with overfishing.
For many years Scleropages formosus have been one of the most controlled ornamental fish in the hobby, with each fish requiring a ton of paperwork & permits before they can be exported or imported. The parents are recorded, the farm, each fish is inserted with a transponder, and each fish comes with a certificate with the matching transponder number. ALL of these fish are raised on privately owned & operated farms - none come from the wild.
If this is just about protecting the natural ecosystem, then please explain why goldfish, or flowerhorn, bettas, or any fish raised & bred in ponds, vats, or aquariums should be banned? Perhaps you didn't read this all the way through?
http://www.peta.org/issues/Companion-Animals/fish-in-tanks-no-thanks.aspx
The president of this great (cough-cough) organization wants ALL animals liberated, and is against anyone keeping fish in captivity - period.
This is NOT the media giving PETA a bad name, or me or anyone else nit picking on PETA, this is PETA's mantra, and one that apparently you support.
God forbid that any of your PETA comrades discover that you are keeping a a hybrid fish in a 60 gallon tank, they will probably burn you at the stake.
RD.;4648822; said:
Good information man, But where did I say this hobby is responsible for the cause of near extinction? The point I made was, If the ban was lifted, then this hobby would probably be responsible for the extinction of the remaing wilds. Obviously that is the reason behind the ban, Sorry you misunderstood.
Regarding the decline of species, Well thats pretty obvious. Habitat distruction and over-fishing. Im sure PETA has a campaign for that too.
RD.;4648822; said:
Go ahead and try to say my horns are unhappy or stunted in their tanks. The tanks I have have a large footprint and for an 11" fish he clearly has ample room to swim.
Like I said, there are things I agree with and things I dont. But, again with putting the words in my mouth? I thought we were past this Neil.
How the hell did you get that I support PETAS mantra of not keeping fish in captivity out of my last post?RD.;4648822; said:
This hobby is responsible for many of fish suffrage and of course that is something PETA is going to look down apon. Like I said you can nit-pick PETA till you blue in the face which you clearly have done, to prove what? Something I wasnt refering too. I dont care what PETA does and never claimed they were comrades. I claim they have spread a good message. They are mainly against animals as food and medical testing, Which is only fair. Complete animal liberation is unpractical.
I'm sure they do, and I never said that they didn't.
I was simply pointing out how ludicrous PETA's stance on something like that is. By keeping a fish in an aquarium, and supporting the trade of live fish (especially hybrids) you have in fact become the enemy of the very organization that you support.
This entire discussion was about tropical fish, not an open invitation to every animal rights activist that felt like blowing off some steam, and collectively referring to everyone else's opinion as being ignorant.
Coming from one who lives in SE Asia(Philippines to be exact) I do not see anything wrong with the video... That my friends is a typical breeders showroom hereabouts... Breeders tend to hide their prized males and females in a backroom or a small stock room somewhere in their farm so they have to use dividers to make all these prized fish fit... That doesn't mean that they are not properly cared for or live horrendous lives... Most of the prized breeding FH in the fh farms here live for 5-10 years compared to FH that live alone in a large tank with all the proper equipments, best quality h2O, etc... Breeders have secrets that they need to protect on how to keep these fish for a long time without having them die or get sick...
Hobbyists on the other hand tend to buy a huge tank for a single FH... They pamper their fh with all things money can buy only to find out that even perfectly cared for FH tend to die due to SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME in 1-3 years... Business is business, breeders breed FH that live for only a couple of years so that hobbyists will buy another one to replace the one that died...
Hobbyists on the other hand tend to buy a huge tank for a single FH... They pamper their fh with all things money can buy only to find out that even perfectly cared for FH tend to die due to SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME in 1-3 years... Business is business, breeders breed FH that live for only a couple of years so that hobbyists will buy another one to replace the one that died...
