so confused....

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nativelover;1866033; said:
thats how this guy is. insecure too...

but threatening to "break both his legs" kinda set me off...

it would me too. i once had an ex whos friend called me up threatening to hurt me if i ever spoke to her again. i was like huh? where is this coming from? ive spoken to her once in 2 weeks. i was so pissed. my adrenalin was going and i couldnt slow it down. i had to call a couple buddies to take me out for food and drinks or i dont know what i would have done to calm down.
 
Well, speaking personally as someone who has been in a severely abusive relationship before, I can add a little insight as to the confusion that most who have never been in one face. First off, the relationship never starts bad, it's a gradual process, and one that in some cases is so gradual that it becomes hard to tell when the abuse actually started and how. Abusers are smart, in the sense that they know how to manipulate situations and people, know how to control, and are very good at figuring out a person's weaknesses, and playing off of them. Usually the relationship starts like any good and healthy one would. Firting, spending time together, enjoying each other's company, becomming affectionate, and then usually the "L" bomb is dropped - most often quickly, and by the abuser.
Once they have a firm hold on the victims emotions and have progressed the relationship to the "Serious/Steady" point, that is when the abuse starts taking place. Becomming jealous, accusing, controlling and verbally abusive is where it starts. Next it graduates into breaking the person down emotionally, depleting their self esteem, cutting them off from friends, family, and activities they might have enjoyed. Then in time, it becomes physical, usually with a push, or grabbing them, shaking them, or something of the nature. But abusers are always quick to apologize, and will usually lavish the victim with praise and gifts (a way of making themselves feel better, and assuring the victim). In time though, it gets worse, and slapping, kicking, punching, shoving, and so on becomes a regular occurance. Abusers make the victim feel like it is their fault they are getting abused, like they know what will set the abuser off, so when it happens, blame is placed in the victim for pushing those buttons (even if all they did was answer a question the wrong way). Abuse doesn't stop at mental or physical, but rather, in seriously deranged cases it also becomes sexual, with the abuser raping the victim on a regular basis as their way of maintaining control, and punishing the victim.
To understand an abusers mind you have to understand the roots of it all. 95% of the time, this person was abused as a child, usually by someone close to them, someone they trusted and loved. Growing up, instead of healing from those wounds, they allowed them to poison them, and now project it outwards on victims of their own. They need control in their lives, they like to be the rule makers and the "Gods" of their environment. They cope with their pain by inflicting pain on others, one of those silent "If I have to suffer, so do you" areas.
People who end up in abusive relationships do not go into them knowing the abuse will take place. And usually, by the time that they even realize the situation is bad, it is highly progressed and they have fallen deeply into the trap. By this point they actually may love the person (or at least love who they thought the person was), and they will want to help the person, and make things how they used to be. Usually their self esteem will be shot to hell, and they will be so entwined in the web that they may not even see the situation for what it really is, but rather, cling to what they thought it was, and believe the lies, accept the aplogies, make excuses for the abuser, and do their best to hide the issues from the outside to the majority of on-lookers.

Getting out of a situation like this is not easy, because you are dealing with one - an abuser who will not take kindly to someone trying to control their situation or mess with something they have established, and two - the victim who is caught in a battle between their logical senses and morals, and the manipulation and deception that they have been brainwashed into.
If you try to intervene, you could face either the victim turning on you because they feel like they have to be loyal to their abuser, and that you really "don't understand" the situation. Also because they fear what will happen to them. OR you could face a direct confrontation from the abuser, and possibly put the victim in greater danger because inevitably the victim will be questioned, accused and reprimanded for your interferance.

And if the victim tries to get out of the situation without planning things through, she could face getting the crap beat out of her, or possibly killed depending on the true dangerousness of this individual.
Don't fool yourself into believing that she is happy in the relationship, or that she doesn't know that what is going on is wrong. That's not the case at all. Truth is, she probably knows exactly how horrible and dangerous it is, and that is why she is reaching out to you - because it is all she has the courage to do. The best thing IMO to do in a situation like this, would be to not go in it alone. If her parents havent noticed anything and its been 10 months already, then shame on them, but sitting down and talking to them about it might help her because they, as her parents can "control" her a little better, and provide her with the help you might not be able to give her. Another thing you can do is call the police annonymously and report the abuse. By law they will have to investigate it, and if her parents are aware of the situation beforehand, they can be present when the cops show up to question her.
You don't have to let her know that you are the one initiating all of this, because chances are, at this point, she is probably so lost and confused that she would feel betrayed by you. So if possible, you could ask her parents to refrain from mentioning you had anything to do with it.
This would also allow her the opportunity to continue coming to you to discuss the issues, and still feel like she "had someone on her side", because trust me, once it hits the fan, she is going to be such an emotional wreck, and all that brainwashing her boyfriend spent so much time on it going to rear it's ugly head, and make her defend him, lie, make excuses, etc.

It's easy for the guy to push her around, he already broke her spirit, so breaking her body is his way of ensuring she doesn't get any ideas about leaving him or reporting him. Keeping her in a constant state of fear and confusion is just another way of controlling her, and it seems like it is working. Confronting him alone is not the way to go because even if you did beat him - she is the one who will suffer the consequences, and it could be much worse on her, than what you delivered to him.
It won't be easy to keep it from her, but by involving her parents, and the authorities, that is really the only way you can help her at all, because at this point, she is not able to help herself, and without intervention, the abuse will continue, and could lead to something much worse than a beating....
 
water_baby83;1866084; said:
Well, speaking personally as someone who has been in a severely abusive relationship before, I can add a little insight as to the confusion that most who have never been in one face. First off, the relationship never starts bad, it's a gradual process, and one that in some cases is so gradual that it becomes hard to tell when the abuse actually started and how. Abusers are smart, in the sense that they know how to manipulate situations and people, know how to control, and are very good at figuring out a person's weaknesses, and playing off of them. Usually the relationship starts like any good and healthy one would. Firting, spending time together, enjoying each other's company, becomming affectionate, and then usually the "L" bomb is dropped - most often quickly, and by the abuser.
Once they have a firm hold on the victims emotions and have progressed the relationship to the "Serious/Steady" point, that is when the abuse starts taking place. Becomming jealous, accusing, controlling and verbally abusive is where it starts. Next it graduates into breaking the person down emotionally, depleting their self esteem, cutting them off from friends, family, and activities they might have enjoyed. Then in time, it becomes physical, usually with a push, or grabbing them, shaking them, or something of the nature. But abusers are always quick to apologize, and will usually lavish the victim with praise and gifts (a way of making themselves feel better, and assuring the victim). In time though, it gets worse, and slapping, kicking, punching, shoving, and so on becomes a regular occurance. Abusers make the victim feel like it is their fault they are getting abused, like they know what will set the abuser off, so when it happens, blame is placed in the victim for pushing those buttons (even if all they did was answer a question the wrong way). Abuse doesn't stop at mental or physical, but rather, in seriously deranged cases it also becomes sexual, with the abuser raping the victim on a regular basis as their way of maintaining control, and punishing the victim.
To understand an abusers mind you have to understand the roots of it all. 95% of the time, this person was abused as a child, usually by someone close to them, someone they trusted and loved. Growing up, instead of healing from those wounds, they allowed them to poison them, and now project it outwards on victims of their own. They need control in their lives, they like to be the rule makers and the "Gods" of their environment. They cope with their pain by inflicting pain on others, one of those silent "If I have to suffer, so do you" areas.
People who end up in abusive relationships do not go into them knowing the abuse will take place. And usually, by the time that they even realize the situation is bad, it is highly progressed and they have fallen deeply into the trap. By this point they actually may love the person (or at least love who they thought the person was), and they will want to help the person, and make things how they used to be. Usually their self esteem will be shot to hell, and they will be so entwined in the web that they may not even see the situation for what it really is, but rather, cling to what they thought it was, and believe the lies, accept the aplogies, make excuses for the abuser, and do their best to hide the issues from the outside to the majority of on-lookers.

Getting out of a situation like this is not easy, because you are dealing with one - an abuser who will not take kindly to someone trying to control their situation or mess with something they have established, and two - the victim who is caught in a battle between their logical senses and morals, and the manipulation and deception that they have been brainwashed into.
If you try to intervene, you could face either the victim turning on you because they feel like they have to be loyal to their abuser, and that you really "don't understand" the situation. Also because they fear what will happen to them. OR you could face a direct confrontation from the abuser, and possibly put the victim in greater danger because inevitably the victim will be questioned, accused and reprimanded for your interferance.

And if the victim tries to get out of the situation without planning things through, she could face getting the crap beat out of her, or possibly killed depending on the true dangerousness of this individual.
Don't fool yourself into believing that she is happy in the relationship, or that she doesn't know that what is going on is wrong. That's not the case at all. Truth is, she probably knows exactly how horrible and dangerous it is, and that is why she is reaching out to you - because it is all she has the courage to do. The best thing IMO to do in a situation like this, would be to not go in it alone. If her parents havent noticed anything and its been 10 months already, then shame on them, but sitting down and talking to them about it might help her because they, as her parents can "control" her a little better, and provide her with the help you might not be able to give her. Another thing you can do is call the police annonymously and report the abuse. By law they will have to investigate it, and if her parents are aware of the situation beforehand, they can be present when the cops show up to question her.
You don't have to let her know that you are the one initiating all of this, because chances are, at this point, she is probably so lost and confused that she would feel betrayed by you. So if possible, you could ask her parents to refrain from mentioning you had anything to do with it.
This would also allow her the opportunity to continue coming to you to discuss the issues, and still feel like she "had someone on her side", because trust me, once it hits the fan, she is going to be such an emotional wreck, and all that brainwashing her boyfriend spent so much time on it going to rear it's ugly head, and make her defend him, lie, make excuses, etc.

It's easy for the guy to push her around, he already broke her spirit, so breaking her body is his way of ensuring she doesn't get any ideas about leaving him or reporting him. Keeping her in a constant state of fear and confusion is just another way of controlling her, and it seems like it is working. Confronting him alone is not the way to go because even if you did beat him - she is the one who will suffer the consequences, and it could be much worse on her, than what you delivered to him.
It won't be easy to keep it from her, but by involving her parents, and the authorities, that is really the only way you can help her at all, because at this point, she is not able to help herself, and without intervention, the abuse will continue, and could lead to something much worse than a beating....

this helps ALOT! thanks for taking the time to write that. got me thinking and i know what i need to do.
 
Be the bigger man stand up for her and be there she will think you are her knight in shining armor but from what it sound like u already are. I wouldn't let a woman beater get to me, but I also wouldn't let these actions continue.
 
scubasteve06;1866411; said:
Be the bigger man stand up for her and be there she will think you are her knight in shining armor but from what it sound like u already are. I wouldn't let a woman beater get to me, but I also wouldn't let these actions continue.

I have to say "the knight in shining armor....is NOT always the best way to do this. Yes, the girl needs help, but I can't stress enough it will not ALWAYS work. You have to (if you REALLY want this girl) just be there, when the time is right, yes..do what needs to be done. But at the same time be prepared for the backlash. It can and most likely will happen. She may and most likely will blame you for her "problems" she can and may lash out at you, you see you if she is what you really want, she may "hate" you for this in the end. Yes, if she is to the point she is done, you WILL come out "good" but if she is not, anything and everything can and may be used against you....just be prepared for this, if she is worth all of what you may go through, then just BE THERE! No matter what she may say or do, you HAVE TO BE THERE...don't let what she says or does influence you, know that she is coming from a VERY abusive relationship, she IS going to lash out, she IS going to say things, do things whatever....it's just going to happen, and as long as in the end you ARE THERE FOR HER....you may (or may not) be rewarded for your efforts.
 
azfishfool;1865955; said:
honestly been in some stupid but similar situations and honestly i dont get it, what i can tell you is i would stick with it( call me crazy but i have a habit of being the hero type) Ive been with my girl 2 and a half years. girls tend to seem like they need to be there for the guy thats treating them like crap. not sure why but it seems the worse the guy is the more the girl feels a need to be with them.

LOL that's an automatic three years in jail
 
azfishfool;1865955; said:
honestly been in some stupid but similar situations and honestly i dont get it, what i can tell you is i would stick with it( call me crazy but i have a habit of being the hero type) Ive been with my girl 2 and a half years. girls tend to seem like they need to be there for the guy thats treating them like crap. not sure why but it seems the worse the guy is the more the girl feels a need to be with them.
WHATEVER!!!! So, you are saying a guy SHOULD treat a girl like crap....you are a sad, sad man....if a man at all!
 
hmmm... y not drop him already, id dont seem from what u say that she is particcually scared of him to have u up in her house, plus u guys arnt that old.... just drop the dick.... sod all of this pc bollox, if it wont mess the situation with her hem do it publicly, if not three hole balaclava n dark street.... sorry but guys who hit girls get run end of......


or just for fun tell cops he is sellin crack to kids at the park.... let them make his life hell for ya.... thou reporting it wont go no where with out bare evidance and her 120% import u can still use the cops to get to him..... at lets face it they arnt doin anything more important.....
 
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