Special Haitiensis diet questions/requirements?

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Improper diet AND stress can both contribute to bloat...and overall fish health. So do environmental conditions (TDS, nitrate, etc.).

Fish that are specialized herbivores (e.g. tropheus, mbuna) have long intestinal tracts that are easily clogged by feeding meaty foods. These fish have evolved over millions of years to eat large volumes of low protein stuff (like algae and other stuff on rocks). Their mouths are also specialized for this diet.

Haitiensis are not specialized herbivores. I've never cut one open but I'd guess that the intestines look quite different than those of a, for example, tropheus. Haits are un-specialized meaning that they're built to eat whatever's available, vegetable and otherwise. It just doesn't make sense that they MUST HAVE an nearly exclusively veggie diet.

I think that people have found that stress, water quality, and diet that is too extreme on the protein side (e.g. beef heart) can contribute to bloat/death of young haits. The exact proportion that these three factors contribute to the death of haits is hard to figure. But my guess, as I've stated before, is that stress (from aggression) represents a pretty major factor.

Mine are happy sharing a 75g with a temp of about 76-78, eating NLS, flake, and super worms (giant meal worms), and getting 25-30% weekly water changes.
 
dogofwar;2570073; said:
Improper diet AND stress can both contribute to bloat...and overall fish health. So do environmental conditions (TDS, nitrate, etc.).

Fish that are specialized herbivores (e.g. tropheus, mbuna) have long intestinal tracts that are easily clogged by feeding meaty foods. These fish have evolved over millions of years to eat large volumes of low protein stuff (like algae and other stuff on rocks). Their mouths are also specialized for this diet.

Haitiensis are not specialized herbivores. I've never cut one open but I'd guess that the intestines look quite different than those of a, for example, tropheus. Haits are un-specialized meaning that they're built to eat whatever's available, vegetable and otherwise. It just doesn't make sense that they MUST HAVE an nearly exclusively veggie diet.

I think that people have found that stress, water quality, and diet that is too extreme on the protein side (e.g. beef heart) can contribute to bloat/death of young haits. The exact proportion that these three factors contribute to the death of haits is hard to figure. But my guess, as I've stated before, is that stress (from aggression) represents a pretty major factor.
Very well put.
 
dogofwar;2570073; said:
Improper diet AND stress can both contribute to bloat...and overall fish health. So do environmental conditions (TDS, nitrate, etc.).

Fish that are specialized herbivores (e.g. tropheus, mbuna) have long intestinal tracts that are easily clogged by feeding meaty foods. These fish have evolved over millions of years to eat large volumes of low protein stuff (like algae and other stuff on rocks). Their mouths are also specialized for this diet.

Haitiensis are not specialized herbivores. I've never cut one open but I'd guess that the intestines look quite different than those of a, for example, tropheus. Haits are un-specialized meaning that they're built to eat whatever's available, vegetable and otherwise. It just doesn't make sense that they MUST HAVE an nearly exclusively veggie diet.

I think that people have found that stress, water quality, and diet that is too extreme on the protein side (e.g. beef heart) can contribute to bloat/death of young haits. The exact proportion that these three factors contribute to the death of haits is hard to figure. But my guess, as I've stated before, is that stress (from aggression) represents a pretty major factor.

Mine are happy sharing a 75g with a temp of about 76-78, eating NLS, flake, and super worms (giant meal worms), and getting 25-30% weekly water changes.

Thank you dogofwar. Now that was a educated and informative post.
 
shamrock;2569979; said:
Camphilophus-Wow! Guess I know nothing! LOL! Wow! Amazing! Maybe I don't post tons of pictures on a billion web sites-but I can safely say that I have been there and done that-maybe not to the point of the above mention-but I would think that I know what I am talking about-oh well I am a cichlid screw up I guess-LOL!

If it means anything to you, it sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. The members I listed haven't won me over by posting pictures, it's the information they've shared with us.

shamrock;2569986; said:
The thing that is funny is that a lot of you are stating that diet has nothing to do with it-so if I eat hot dogs everyday I'll be healthy-if I feed my baby dovii just feeders they will have no health problems-if I feed my Husky turkey gizzards all the time he will live a long life as long as I don't stress them out-I don't know doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Oh we'll no matter-God Bless and have a cool holiday all!

Nobody said diet has nothing to do with it, they're just saying the protein is not the problem.

I've fed the fish below nothing but omega one large cichlid pellets for the last 6 months. It's probably healthier than me. You know why? Because it's not made up of hot dogs, and it's not made up entirely of spinach. In fact..

Whole Salmon, Whole Herring, Whole Shrimp, Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Fresh Kelp, Lecithin, Astaxanthin, L-Ascorbyl-2-Phosphate (Source of Vitamin C), Natural and Artificial Colors, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Folic Acid, Biotin, Inositol, Tocopherol (Preservative), Ethoxyquin (Preservative).

omega one did all the varying of his diet for me!

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does he look unhealthy?

The only problem I can see with odo's and bloat due to high proteins is if you feed them foods they can't digest like mentioned before (beefheart etc..)
 
He looks very healthy. What is he?

Camphilophus;2570172; said:
If it means anything to you, it sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. The members I listed haven't won me over by posting pictures, it's the information they've shared with us.



Nobody said diet has nothing to do with it, they're just saying the protein is not the problem.

I've fed the fish below nothing but omega one large cichlid pellets for the last 6 months. It's probably healthier than me. You know why? Because it's not made up of hot dogs, and it's not made up entirely of spinach. In fact..

Whole Salmon, Whole Herring, Whole Shrimp, Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Fresh Kelp, Lecithin, Astaxanthin, L-Ascorbyl-2-Phosphate (Source of Vitamin C), Natural and Artificial Colors, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Folic Acid, Biotin, Inositol, Tocopherol (Preservative), Ethoxyquin (Preservative).

omega one did all the varying of his diet for me!

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does he look unhealthy?

The only problem I can see with odo's and bloat due to high proteins is if you feed them foods they can't digest like mentioned before (beefheart etc..)
 
Camphilophus;2570983; said:
petsmarts version of a midas 3 years ago^^

Nice to see what one looks like grown out.
 
Camphilous-you see now you did it!! IT is okay to have an healthy argument-but now on the world web you just called me stupid-whatever-so yeah your right what do I know!!! I am dumb, stupid, ignorant, about all fish-man/woman you got me-I know nothing-oh non you caught me!!!
 
Dude! Who hasn't raised an Midas/RD??? Beautiful fish by the way! Let me ask you this? Oh Oh maybe I should have sent pics who has had year after year after year after year after year five aggressive cichlids flourish in a 240 gallon tank-no not me-I don't have pictures!!! So I am no good! Ha Ha !
 
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