Taboo: Goldfish in a tropical tank

[phaedraeos]

no prob.

i also find this site to be much more laid back, with less spouting of second hand information and more acquired first hand knowledge.

 

[Lupin]

IME, they're peaceful and just because they're "barbs" don't mean nothin.

Er..Cyprinids?
I like them but at the moment, I have no tank to accommodate them.

 

[Tongue33]

I find that keeping Goldfish of anysort.. Well hard for me .. Especially since I won't pay more than a couple dollars.. and usually pcik up 3-4" ones.. they still only last about 1 night

 

[phaedraeos]

Here's that really nice 220g goldfish tank on ac

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91060&page=5&highlight=goldfish

 

[ewurm]

The goldfish I have kept were very messy, even in cold water. They are like cows. I now only keep goldfish occasionally in tropical tanks. By occasionally, I mean only with my Oscar and only for a few seconds at a time. TREATS. LOL

 

[Sunpoe]

Sure, alot of Goldfish sites reccomend a higher temperature to aid in digestion, but at the same time these websites also are adamant about keeping goldfish in a species only tank, which is often VERY UNDER-CROWDED. (1 or 2 per 55g)

If you look at the sites I provided earlier, they believe it acceptable to have 1 fancy gold fish per ten gallons of tank space (excluding regulars and comats).

Right now I have 2 fancies in a 30 gallon at 78 degrees without any problems.

I have also seen a lot of people with docile tropicals with their goldfish, with very positive results.

Most of these sites are not as "adamant about keeping goldfish in a species only tank" as you might think.

Here is one example http://www.goldfishparadise.com/info/tankmate.php

 

[sandtiger]

I was told that there are a couple speices that maybe not "require" but prefer tropical temperatures.

Chad

All the goldfish strains you buy at the LFS are the same species, just different variations that have been selectivly bred. It's the same thing they do with dogs and other domestic animals.
It's a common myth IMo that goldfish require coldwater. In truth, when you look at where they are found native in the wild they are actually sub-tropical and can survive in a wide range of temp variations. They are very hardy and can be found introduced in a wide range of places and habitats around the world. You can find goldfish living and breeding places like Hawaii, Costa Rica, Columbia, Vietnam and other tropical places. Fishbase.org has a list of places different fish have been introduced, the one for goldfish is impressive. I certainly would not worry about keeping goldfish in the high 70's for the duration of their lives or higher for limited periods of time.
I cannot think of any reason why goldfish cannot be kept with some of the tropicals sold on the market except that it may look odd to have them together.

 

[Cohazard]

All the goldfish strains you buy at the LFS are the same species, just different variations that have been selectivly bred. It's the same thing they do with dogs and other domestic animals.
It's a common myth IMo that goldfish require coldwater. In truth, when you look at where they are found native in the wild they are actually sub-tropical and can survive in a wide range of temp variations. They are very hardy and can be found introduced in a wide range of places and habitats around the world. You can find goldfish living and breeding places like Hawaii, Costa Rica, Columbia, Vietnam and other tropical places. Fishbase.org has a list of places different fish have been introduced, the one for goldfish is impressive. I certainly would not worry about keeping goldfish in the high 70's for the duration of their lives or higher for limited periods of time.
I cannot think of any reason why goldfish cannot be kept with some of the tropicals sold on the market except that it may look odd to have them together.

I couldn't agree more... wish I could've put together a great post like that. Over the years of keeping fish, I've been trying to push this issue and I always get slammed on forums by people saying things like a chiller should be used and blah blah blah....

 

[sandtiger]

I couldn't agree more... wish I could've put together a great post like that. Over the years of keeping fish, I've been trying to push this issue and I always get slammed on forums by people saying things like a chiller should be used and blah blah blah....

Yup, been there and done that. I typically avoid goldfish forums these days despite the fact that I keep them and like them. I would love to someday have a bio-tope with wild goldfish, or goldfish that look like their wild counterparts along with fish native to their area.

 

[phaedraeos]

I'm going to start a "what goldfish do you have" under the 'other monsters' section