Taiwan Trip 2007 : Woddy Sun 's Ultimate Monster Combo!!

[AroW]

So your vouching for millions of asians that they all do water changes on a regular basis and if they didn't then those fish would not have gotten that big? The truth is that their water to begin with is much better in quality than the crappy tap water we have here, thus the fish are healthier and get bigger.

Actually the US have pretty good water quality compared to many other places.. In asia the water isn't treated as much with chemicals meaning it is more suited for aquarium use I guess(but might not be as safe and healthy for humans)

 

[greenterra]

I agree that one has do make the best of what room he/she has avaliable.I acknowlage that some countries are limited for space due to it being a luxury,but I do see wall space for a bigger tank in these pics.

 

[Cohazard]

You can't compare fish to people. I hate when people use that in their argument... it's not the same at all.

All fish kept in aquariums are not going to have the same space they would naturally. Even those mega home aquariums 50k plus gallons, still not the same, especially when loaded with other types of fish that don't live in such close proximity to each other naturally.

The RTC does not look deformed at all !(probably stunted though) RTC's change shape the larger they get. The fish in that picture looks normal to me.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree something bigger could be provided, I wont go as far to say should.

The manatee exhibit in sea world san diego has several adult RTC's and they sit. They don't swim around the huge enclosure they have, because they're kept well fed.

This species of catfish is not an inquisitive fish that seems to enjoy exploring it's surroundings. It moves when it's hungry... finds food... eats it... then goes back to being placid and lying in one spot until it's hungry again.

Have you seen the thread in the 'catfish' forum about the 23yr old RTC? It's more stunted than the fish in this picture, and yet it looks very healthy.

There's plenty of members here who own RTC's. They advocate not buying the fish unless you have a huuuuge tank.. but guess what? They don't have one themselves. They do have decent sized tanks/ponds though. They do the best they can.

I've seen a lot of pictures of RTC's in public aquariums, and those exhibits are hella small too! lol

I can't wait to get my RTC.

 

[fugupuff]

And how big of a tank would you say an arapaima would require, how about a goliath tiger fish...hmmm

You have to take into consideration of individual circumstances. Did you know that some huge 100 pound flat head catfish just live in a hole under a log, never venture far unless to forage. Whereas some fish swim hundreds of miles, tirelessly, for what, to be eaten by grizzly bear, and that's a better fate. Go watch Wolves in the Water by Discovery I think, many South American rivers, tributaries, dry up, each year, and a large number of the fish dry up in mud pools during the dry season, to be eaten by vultures, maggots, caimens, and then the caimens dry up on the side of the banks, because they can't find water soon enough, so is that a better life?

That must be a record for the largest fish spawned in the smallest tank! Pretty sad to say the least. The RTC is totally deformed and stunted and the fish probably can barely turn around. And Wes, I totally disagree with you. All these examples you give of people living in different conditions and which is better yatta yatta have a choice to how they live. In other words, no one is forcing them to live this way. These fish have no choice. Someone decided their fate for them by cramming them in a tiny tank. Yeah there are prisoners who live in a small cells but they also get out and excersise in a large field, etc. The same goes for many cultures that cram people in a small house. But they don't live in that small house 24/7 do they? That tank with those fish would be like a man living in a small home bathroom for his entire life. Eat and **** inside a small bathroom your entire life and when you turn around you hit your body against the wall because you have no room. How would you like that? I'm all for keeping large fish in the aquaria but hands down that tank is way to small for those three fish- too small for even one of them and if you can't see that then you have major problems and should not keep animals.

 

[fugupuff]

Honestly, I believe in providing a fish with a healthy environment, free from predators which they would encounter in the wild, I prevent their tanks from drying up during the dry season, so they live another year. Then I feed them almost daily, without them having to travel miles or wonder if they're going to be fed. Our understanding of nature is very limited and often interpreted by our own experiences. I'll list a few examples and some may not grasp the correlation, but give it a try.

How many of you guys enjoy feeding your fish until their bellies get fat? I do sometimes, its fun watching fish eat, amusing to us. Well, in the wild, that doesn't happen often at all, occasionally they gorge when available. Most predators have to hunt for their food, and it doesn't come daily. When fed too much, they develop fatty livers and organs, and often die a premature death, or in some cases cannot reproduce. Ask many Tanganiykan cichlid breeders, they keep their fish fed sparingly so they reproduce well. Ask the monterey bay aquarium, since the fish were fed so well, many developed fatty orangs and some had to be euthanized, even though they lived in the million gallon fish tank called the outer bay, with plenty of room to swim.
More example, siniperca chuatsi, they are ambush predators in the wild, probably only get a meal every now and then, but in a fish tank, when given tons of feeders to eat, they'll eat, until their bellies double the size of the, and I've seen, many times, they die from ruptured internal organs.

Fish keeping needs not the moral police to patrol. How about the fate of gold fish, we bred them for hundreds of years, and use them for tanks, carnavals, food for larger fish, have you ever looked into their eyes and think about their fate? If I had put an arapaima in a feeder bag, and fed it to my grouper, you all probably would lynch me. Thanks for taking the time to read this, and I know I probably have lost some of you already in the first paragraph. Comprehension and interpretation is also received differently with education, intelligent quotient, attention span and many other factors. I for sure, would not want to be the first to throw a stone, how about you (disclaimer-no one specific)

 

[fugupuff]

Honestly, I believe in providing a fish with a healthy environment, free from predators which they would encounter in the wild, I prevent their tanks from drying up during the dry season, so they live another year. Then I feed them almost daily, without them having to travel miles or wonder if they're going to be fed. Our understanding of nature is very limited and often interpreted by our own experiences. I'll list a few examples and some may not grasp the correlation, but give it a try.

See, and that is just my poor interpretation of what makes them happy. They probably hate me still. They probably have a obesity issue like many people blame on, and hate it when I put feeders in the tank constantly

Then some fish probably need to dry up and die to feed other animals, or they'd over populate or other animals wouldn't get their food. Like the grizzlys have to fatten up during spring/summer on the poor salmons that are trying to breed, so they can sleep all winter.

We think that training a stringray to eat market prawn, better than what we eat ourselves, is luxury for them, is it? Maybe they hate eating stinky market prawn, they like eating the damn worms and little cardinal tetras, or baby arapaimas they catch, who knows., so if we get confident with our interpretations with whats "right", then maybe we shouldn't keep any pets at all.

 

[fugupuff]

That tank with those fish would be like a man living in a small home bathroom for his entire life. Eat and **** inside a small bathroom your entire life and when you turn around you hit your body against the wall because you have no room. How would you like that? I'm all for keeping large fish in the aquaria but hands down that tank is way to small for those three fish- too small for even one of them and if you can't see that then you have major problems and should not keep animals.

Well...actually some people do live in solitary confinement for a large portion of their life, and I would hate it, probably kill myself first, but...other than that, if well fed, eating, shidding, and bumpting into the walls daily, would probably not have a huge impact on them physically, and I'd probably still be able to get it on, lets get it on...

Oh, and fish, even in a 1000 gallon tank, with a bunch of other large siniperca, nile perch, arapaima, believe or not, are still eating and ****ting, simulatneously in the same water, I've seen fish try to eat other fish's shid!!! That's terribly inhumane, call PETA, hurry...!!

 

[Scorponok]

This site is monsterFISHkeepers.com, not monsterTANKkeepers.com. It seems whenever anyone post their monster photos, their tanks get scrutinized and the keepers get judged. Therefore, almost all the posters start off defensively by saying don't worry their fish are in a grow out, temporary tank, etc, etc. There is no need for justification really.

The only ones can judge are the fish themselves. If only if they can tell you they're happy or not in their tank, the debate of tank size vs. maintenance will continue.

 

[Aussienative]

This site is monsterFISHkeepers.com, not monsterTANKkeepers.com. It seems whenever anyone post their monster photos, their tanks get scrutinized and the keepers get judged. Therefore, almost all the posters start off defensively by saying don't worry their fish are in a grow out, temporary tank, etc, etc. There is no need for justification really.

The only ones can judge are the fish themselves. If only if they can tell you they're happy or not in their tank, the debate of tank size vs. maintenance will continue.

If you post a pic of your display tank and have to say its a quarantine/temp/grow out tank, i think deep down you know your set up is wrong.

There are soooo many amazing tanks on this site that are "overstocked" but these tanks are 6',8',10',12ft long and 3',4',6ft wide....with massive filtration.

when your talking about large fish there is a big difference between an "overstocked" 8x4x2 and an overstocked 4'x18"x24" with the same size fish!

Doesn't matter what you say man, you'll never justify that tank.

 

[armac]

I doubt they "spawned" she may have been eggbound and expelled some eggs.


They spawn pacu in ponds, not puddles