TANK CRASH HELP!

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bigspizz;2232421; said:
:confused::confused::confused: Not my LFS......:ROFL::ROFL:

Not mine either ^^ - but the guy is in New York (NY) ... i have read on this forum that LFS checks water params in the States.
 
CHOMPERS;2232411; said:
It is either bacteria, parasites, or chloramines. A Python used for water changes can do it too.

Since everything didn't go down hill right after the big water change, it probably isnt' chloramines (everyone should have a test kit on hand reguardless). By the way, what is your ammonia and nitrite readings? What is the pH?

Do not use the salt/temp remedy. It can kill off everything left in the tank. The remedy will help if it is external parasites. It is useless for internal parasites. For bacterial infections, it can precipitate a massive fish kill.

Look for Lifegard All-In-One tablets and treat the whole tank. It is going to be expensive, but when you are this late in the game it is the best thing you can do.

Do not have false hopes for results with Pimafix or Melafix.

Thanks alot, I'm currently doing a huge waterchange. I use a python to fill my tank, but not to empty during water changes, could this have a bacterial effect? After using I run very hot water through and empty it and its sits empty until next time i have to fill.
I will pick up the lifeguard today, I havent used salt or melafix on the tank. Though I think there might be a planaria population in the tank, but none of the fish appear to be infected with anything.

Thanks again
 
Dr. Joe,

I copied and pasted in answers. Thanks for the help.

1) First what is the tank chemistry?

Been consistent at about 7.2pH, little or no ammonia at all times, water was relatively hard upon first setting it up but water softeners fixed that. Some organic matter in the tank in the form of attractive algae on wood in tank.

2) what did you or someone else do the tank in the last week?
A little over a week ago I fed as normal, removed excess food that wasnt eaten. There was a small pleco in the tank that was harrassing my gar that was acting funny. I removed him and put him with my wallago, who ate him (pleco), on a side note.
Gar appeared in trouble, moved it to another receptical. Died the next day. Since then the aro has been swimming occasional lopsided, is dull and listless, and is trying to get out of the tank. It displays heavy gill function. My p senegalus is breathing heavier than normal, but nothin crazy.

3) How does the water smell?
Water smells fine, normal. A bit organic as there is some moss that grow on the wood in the tank.

4) Did you dechlor the W/C water?
I use PRIME and pump water in through the sump.

5) Are you on city/county water or a well?
City

6) Check with the water department to see if they have changed or upped the amount of chemicals in the water supply.
Will do, thanks

7) Are the filters flowing like usual?
Yes, the magnum slowed down a bit but i changed it last night and re-upped the carbon. This is normal.

8) What is your filter maintenance schedule?
Generally I will clear out the pad in the sump when necessary, maybe about once every 1,5-2 weeks. I do water changes about (30-40%) every 1-2 weeks. Clean and preemptively maintenance motors and pumps during water changes. Add carbon with every water change.

Thanks a million for your help
 
Spizz: Ice comes out of the tray generally whole, with an occasional crack or crumble. I am not sure how to determine for the TDS in the water (?)
There is no stray food, that the first thing I checked for. I will bring to local store to get the water checked.

PYTHON: Python is used to fill my Wallago tank. He is completely fine, hungry and mean as ever. Water is crystal clear in his tank.

Space is not an issue I don't think. My aro is barely 12 inches and my polypterus is around 8-10" and skinny. They are in a 125, so i think space is OK, at least for now.

Thanks alot for all your help and responses!
 
aggressor09;2232431; said:
Thanks alot, I'm currently doing a huge waterchange. I use a python to fill my tank, but not to empty during water changes, could this have a bacterial effect? After using I run very hot water through and empty it and its sits empty until next time i have to fill.
I will pick up the lifeguard today, I havent used salt or melafix on the tank. Though I think there might be a planaria population in the tank, but none of the fish appear to be infected with anything.

Thanks again
The Python isn't adding bacteria unless it is already in your tap water (contaminated well). Salt will help reduce bacteria in the tank and will help fight external parasites, just don't raise the temperature.

Add double the amount of Prime or Amquel before you refill the tank. You really should treat the water in a separate container before adding it to the tank. It is very possible that the Python method has stressed the fish to the point that their immune systems can't fight naturally occurring levels of bacteria.

If a canister of Mustard Gas and the antidote were released into a room at the same time, would it be safe for you to be in the room? Would you not be exposed to the Mustard Gas? This is the same thing that is happening when doing water changes with a Python. You will never get a reading on a chlorine or chloramine test kit after a Python water fill, but don't think that they aren't being exposed.

The other problem with using a Python to fill the tank, is the probability of killing off your bacteria population. Test for ammonia and nitrites. This is the only way to know.

Also, test your tap water for chlorine, chloramines, ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates. You need to know what you are dealing with for water changes.
 
Update: I think there is too much organic material in the water so I removed all wood and algae. Did an 85% water change.

CHOMPERS;2232601; said:
The Python isn't adding bacteria unless it is already in your tap water (contaminated well). Salt will help reduce bacteria in the tank and will help fight external parasites, just don't raise the temperature.

Add double the amount of Prime or Amquel before you refill the tank. You really should treat the water in a separate container before adding it to the tank. It is very possible that the Python method has stressed the fish to the point that their immune systems can't fight naturally occurring levels of bacteria.

If a canister of Mustard Gas and the antidote were released into a room at the same time, would it be safe for you to be in the room? Would you not be exposed to the Mustard Gas? This is the same thing that is happening when doing water changes with a Python. You will never get a reading on a chlorine or chloramine test kit after a Python water fill, but don't think that they aren't being exposed.

The other problem with using a Python to fill the tank, is the probability of killing off your bacteria population. Test for ammonia and nitrites. This is the only way to know.

Also, test your tap water for chlorine, chloramines, ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates. You need to know what you are dealing with for water changes.

I always added a little too much Prime before filling the filter, but never double. I will try that until I can devise a way to treat the water before hand.
I have some pure Kosher salt, is this appropriate and if so, how much for a 125 gallon?

Thank you.
 
aggressor09;2232337; said:
Ammonia is @ 0ppm's

This is a good thing.

I missed several replies that were posted while I was composing mine (I type slow).
 
aggressor09;2232631; said:
Update: I think there is too much organic material in the water so I removed all wood and algae. Did an 85% water change.



I always added a little too much Prime before filling the filter, but never double. I will try that until I can devise a way to treat the water before hand.
I have some pure Kosher salt, is this appropriate and if so, how much for a 125 gallon?

Thank you.





Prime builds up....If you "always" add more than what is called for, Seachem themselves, say it WILL lead to oxygen deprivation....
 
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