The Reason for cycling a tank is to build BB for the Bio Load...

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It's a well-known fact that when transporting fish, new water is infinitely better than old water. It's an OLD MISCONCEPTION that old water is better. If I have any excuse to give my fish all brand new water, I take it, and they seem much happier for it.

The only time this is NOT the case, is when your old water is so full of nitrAtes, that clean water would shock and ultimately kill the fish or cause any number of illnesses to take over.
 
Laticauda;4781406; said:
It's a well-known fact that when transporting fish, new water is infinitely better than old water. It's an OLD MISCONCEPTION that old water is better. If I have any excuse to give my fish all brand new water, I take it, and they seem much happier for it.

The only time this is NOT the case, is when your old water is so full of nitrAtes, that clean water would shock and ultimately kill the fish or cause any number of illnesses to take over.
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This second statement is exactly the reason why fishkeepers years ago believed old water was better. The old water was so full of nitrates that the sudden shock of new nitrate free( more or less) water would stress and kill the fish and most folks associated the deaths with the new water. In reality it was just the opposite , for fish can be exposed to steady increases of nitrates without showing obvious signs of stress. Not healthy for them, but most species can adjust to slowly increased levels.
 
Mastiffman;4781050; said:
My point for the whole Entire thread, which a few clearly didn't read the text carefully enough (maybe it wasn't as clear as I could have made it... So Accept my sincere Apologies!), was to say that IF one uses 2 good sized Established Filters, some CLEAN Established Tank water (regardless there is STILL BB in it that WILL help) and the API Stress Zyme+ (which has proven to me since I've used it the last year and started nemerous Filters/ Tanks with it), that a "new setup" Will not spike like a "typical" Fresh Setup will..... You have to monitor it though as well to watch it. This may not be a good practice for beginners...

And a Correction on my Behalf in the OP... it's "Dormant BB" not "live", like I stated... (once again, I apologize)

WHY, because of the proper amount of BB instroduced with the setting up of the tank...

(i.e. Fiilters, water, some substrate and API-SZ)

I wasn't looking to get bashed. As it was stated before, there is more than one way to setup a new tank successfully. BUT I was infomring the way that I Setup my new tanks and Not have them go through a "Spikey" N-Cycle... I test them every time. Tanks are constantly cycling just not on the level that a New tank with no or minimal BB does...
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This should be the end of your discussion or debate. If you already have established filters supporting the bio load of your stock and you're not adding any additional stock, just upgrading to a larger tank, the established filters is all that you need along with water dechlorinator. No prime, no stress zyme... none of that.
 
jcardona1;4781380; said:
What is "healthy" water? Low nitrates? How is that any different from tapwater treated for chlorine/chloramine? I could do 100% water changes if I really wanted as long as the parameters match, doesn't mean I'm getting rid of bacteria. Certain breeders do huge water changes just like this. Even if there is a tiny amount of bacteria in the water column, this isn't gonna speed up the cycling process. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Sure, if you're simply moving fish from one tank to another, a few feet away, then why not transfer the water over, it's easy to do. But if you're moving homes, then don't bother. I think I saw somebody mention getting old water from a LFS. This is completely unnecessary.
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Well being that Tap water ALSO contains Floride (Supposed to be good for your teeth if you "didn't know", but floride can also stain your teeth) AND AMMONIA (To kill the bacteria) I'd use Tank Water ANY Day Before I'd use Fresh Tap water. Main reason is that I know how Clean I Keep my tanks...

Sounds like I'm not the one that is fooled here... Maybe I'm not the one whom should do some more reserch, especially on what you consider to be "Fresh Tap Water"......
 
To add, I think the reason the thread went in a million different directions is due to the title. I couldn't tell if you were making a statement, asking a question or geting opinions. Bottom line, fish in a tank will cause the nitrogen cycle to start and build bacteria. The bacteria will stay alive as long as it has something to feed on.
 
creepyoldguy;4781531; said:
This should be the end of your discussion or debate. If you already have established filters supporting the bio load of your stock and you're not adding any additional stock, just upgrading to a larger tank, the established filters is all that you need along with water dechlorinator. No prime, no stress zyme... none of that.
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LOL I didn't turn this into a "debate" you guys did!
 
creepyoldguy;4781541; said:
To add, I think the reason the thread went in a million different directions is due to the title. I couldn't tell if you were making a statement, asking a question or geting opinions. Bottom line, fish in a tank will cause the nitrogen cycle to start and build bacteria. The bacteria will stay alive as long as it has something to feed on.
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Hence the apology....
 
Mastiffman;4781535; said:
Well being that Tap water ALSO contains Floride (Supposed to be good for your teeth if you "didn't know", but floride can also stain your teeth) AND AMMONIA (To kill the bacteria) I'd use Tank Water ANY Day Before I'd use Fresh Tap water. Main reason is that I know how Clean I Keep my tanks...

Sounds like I'm not the one that is fooled here... Maybe I'm not the one whom should do some more reserch, especially on what you consider to be "Fresh Tap Water"......
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I'm not aware of tap water having ammonia in it, at least mine doesn't. Companies make products to nuetralize all harmful chemicals in tap water. I have ask, how do you do water changes?
 
Mastiffman;4781546; said:
Hence the apology....
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Either way it is a good thread. I'm still not convinced about Prime, I read through some of the thread someone posted and the second trial had problems and had ammonia for 16 days.
 
Mastiffman;4781535;4781535 said:
Well being that Tap water ALSO contains Floride (Supposed to be good for your teeth if you "didn't know", but floride can also stain your teeth) AND AMMONIA (To kill the bacteria) I'd use Tank Water ANY Day Before I'd use Fresh Tap water. Main reason is that I know how Clean I Keep my tanks...

Sounds like I'm not the one that is fooled here... Maybe I'm not the one whom should do some more reserch, especially on what you consider to be "Fresh Tap Water"......
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:ROFL: I'll just let you simmer in your own misinformation. Have a nice day :)
 
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