Ticking Timebomb Tank

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DB, considering pawning off the car and gf first... joking aside, sincerly hope you can continue the monster fish chronicles. I enjoy your discussions and enthusiasm.

never kept a cyno.

odoes from what i can tell are fish to fish. mine are ok crowded together with dorados and 2 crencichlas. could be the crowding (jap theory. though i highly suspect the stocking is done only for photo shoots). On the other hand when had them in ample space together with pbass/tarpon and seperately with atf, they minded their own. Significant other keepers report aggressive behavior.

dorados generally can go with anything as long as infighting can be abated which I think you've succeeded in doing. other way around is the challenge. when had them with ATF, there constant random bumping and swiming sent atfs crashing around.
armatus should be fine unless specifically targeted. with ample space, they do their side step thing and square back to position.

aro i'd say definitely introduce, does seem to have a calming affect in every application I've tried. no one should mess with it as long as it's of size.

if time bomb doesn't go ka-boom, the other fish (dunno about cyno) will outgrow the odoes in a few months.

Commend your non-live conversion regiment. Feeders have always served well as disposable dithers for me which i guess fortunately/unfortunately isnt an alternative for you. Curious did you notice less aggression post non-live conversion vs before in situation where the fish are hungry?

I'm not sure whether bare bottom or "decorated" would be better in this application. I've always provided hiding and territories, found this to help more than not. As long as there's enough space to allow enough plots/terrirtories. Tall wide structures that can break off a fight because vision of the aggressor fish is impaired.

Current flow helps much like dithers do, gives the fish one more thing to deal with. In my tank i've got decor positioned so that there's areas of the tank where currents are slower. arrow, odoes and armatus appreciate this. dorados will move around irrespective but with less ease.

Good luck and look forward to your findings! stay warm.
 
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Suprisingly the Odoe have actually kept up in growth to the Armatus up to this point, they have all been housed together since 2 inches, although I'm suspecting the Odes will taper off soon. The Dorado grew slower then the Armatus and Odoe but not by much. I suspect this is because they never got feeders at all after arrival. The Cynos are very slow growers. I suspect the Odoe will eventually have to go with the Cynos once the Dorado and Armatus start getting bigger. I'm guessing things should be ok till 15+ inches and at that point the Cynos and Odoe will be in trouble. This is all assuming this even works that long.

And yes, I have noticed the fish to be much more peacefull after converting to non live. I really don't like the idea of live because of the rays. Have fed live to them in the past and they then tend to think they can pounce on other fish that aren't feeders, that and of course the risk of infection. Marbles are not hard to find, however nicee ones are almost impossible to find and therefore it's simply not worth the risk.
 
oh dear... and i took literally "marbles" as glass decor... lol. No experience with rays at all but they intrigue me. I just don't trust their menacing looks hovering down below...

those armatus... given space will "pop". everytime i moved mine to a larger tank, they did just that. they're as big as my biggest Gatf now and Im getting worried.

ur tank's looking great.
 
DB junkie;3688515; said:
I hope it doesn't come to that, I really do. But it may be inevetable.

If only there was a boarding school for fish. Someplace you could send your fish and tanks to pay "fish" support and pick them up in a few years.

I'm sure this current stocklist would look amazing in my 750. Too bad I'll probobly never see it.

Really sucks! Raise the money to buy the tanks, fish, and necassary equipment, spend 3 years tracking down the ever so elusive nice Marbles, endure the emotional rollercoaster of figuring out how to keep WC rays alive, painstakingly learn how to raise predatory Characins to not be predatory, invest the time and learn how to maintain everything, then when its all done have to walk away... Believe me, I'll do everything I can to avoid that, but times are tough, and sometimes as much as you wanna get up life just doesn't allow it.

Even if you do have to "stop out" for a spell, your endeavors will never be in vain as I, along with many others I'm sure, have gathered a great deal of valuable information from your experiments and ins and outs with characin and rays. Really appreciate it bro!

That characin setup is absolutely awesome! Never mixed "non-mixable" fish to that extent but I do tend to be quite daring regarding fish compatibility/incompatibility. I hope it works out. God's speed to you bro.

LJ
 
mad ness;3689490; said:
they're as big as my biggest Gatf now and Im getting worried.


Yup.... welcome to my world last year:D... could not sleep right till I got rid of the 14" GATF

DB, you dont have to give me the newest one big dogg... just the plastic sub we spoke about and im happy:D


Killer tankmates big dogg... I think id piss my pants if I had that set up or Madness tank everynight before I went to sleep... to stressful:ROFL:
Now im rooting for ya DB, hope the tankmates play nice:headbang2
 
Wow, really nice tank of Characin!
Hope they live in harmony, or at least relative harmony...
 
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