As mentioned, I'm one that fed my Tig market shrimp it's whole life from 5". I got it from Rich (Infinite Aquatics) and I tried feeding a great variety of different foods and it would only eat shrimp and krill. I decided that shrimp was the better alternative because I could slice a hole in it and stuff it with nutritious pellets. I would cut the shrimp into smaller pieces when he was younger and he digested it fine. He did one time regurgitate a whole large half digested prawn but that was when he was older...like 16"+. No issues after that. Another thing that might be important. I only fed him once or twice a week.
Tigrinus Catfish in 180?
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RD.;4943336; said:
so they eat sea foods in the wild i dont think so
a small tig wont be able to catch and eat large meaty foods in the wild it wont be able to do that until it gets larger
its no big deal to me what people feed and so what if 2 people have fed shrimp pellets are better as they have more in them than shrimp alone
just giving advice if you take it or not is up to you
but if there is a chance that shrimp can do damage why take the risk as its just as easy to feed pellets with less risk
I never said that pellets weren't better, or that a tig eats seafood in the wild. Having said that, do you have any idea how many people feed sea food to tropical species of fish with absolutely no short or long term health issues?
The fact that you had 4 tigs die after feeding shrimp doesn't equate to a tig not being able to digest & assimilate shrimp. In the wild a small tig will eat whatever it finds, live, or dead, and at a juvenile stage of life will have a much higher metabolic rate than an adult, so any type of meaty food will be fair game. So unless someone has some detailed necropsies to share about exactly what killed their tigs then this becomes nothing more than wild speculation. You said that your juvie tigs puffed up & looked bloated, which would lead me to believe that you overfed by a significant amount, which is most likely what caused the problem, not the food itself.
That makes far more sense to me than excess salt content.
Bret's tig was just over 2" when he bought it, I remember that he had to tap on the tank bottom just to get his tig to find the food when he first got it. (being a nocturnal feeder with tiny eyes) It wasn't until much later in life that his tig was converted to pellet food, and even then it still cleaned up any fish/shrimp/prawns or whatever he was feeding his aros on any given day.
Due to that high protein diet it grew massive in a fairly short period of time, but lost its girlish figure that Balton's tig had. (a beautiful specimen I might add Mr. Balton)
A solid 24" sans the trailers when he sold it, and almost as thick as my wrist.
The fact that you had 4 tigs die after feeding shrimp doesn't equate to a tig not being able to digest & assimilate shrimp. In the wild a small tig will eat whatever it finds, live, or dead, and at a juvenile stage of life will have a much higher metabolic rate than an adult, so any type of meaty food will be fair game. So unless someone has some detailed necropsies to share about exactly what killed their tigs then this becomes nothing more than wild speculation. You said that your juvie tigs puffed up & looked bloated, which would lead me to believe that you overfed by a significant amount, which is most likely what caused the problem, not the food itself.
That makes far more sense to me than excess salt content.
Bret's tig was just over 2" when he bought it, I remember that he had to tap on the tank bottom just to get his tig to find the food when he first got it. (being a nocturnal feeder with tiny eyes) It wasn't until much later in life that his tig was converted to pellet food, and even then it still cleaned up any fish/shrimp/prawns or whatever he was feeding his aros on any given day.
Due to that high protein diet it grew massive in a fairly short period of time, but lost its girlish figure that Balton's tig had. (a beautiful specimen I might add Mr. Balton)
A solid 24" sans the trailers when he sold it, and almost as thick as my wrist.
Just to put an end to the theory that feeding shrimp/prawn will kill juvie tigs, I would recommend doing a few searches on arofanatics. MP is exactly what the vast majority of tig owners on that site recommend feeding juvie tigs. In many cases even the stores (such as C328 mentioned in the link below) that bring juvie tigs in appear to convert them off of feeders & on to prawns as soon as possible.
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295268
The constant theme repeated on arofanatics for causing sudden death in tigs (both juvies & semi-adults) is none other than overfeeding.
BTW - I would think that the main reason for not feeding pellets to a juvie tig straight away, is that most of them won't convert easily when 2-5", and at the price that a tig costs not many people want to play the starving game at that stage.
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295268
The constant theme repeated on arofanatics for causing sudden death in tigs (both juvies & semi-adults) is none other than overfeeding.
BTW - I would think that the main reason for not feeding pellets to a juvie tig straight away, is that most of them won't convert easily when 2-5", and at the price that a tig costs not many people want to play the starving game at that stage.
Forums are all about sharing what has happened in the past and passing on that info to others
I lost a few tigs and had no idea why I did not over feed and the tig was lucky to grab what shrimp it could from the other fish
All 4 tigs got puffy looking with a large lump in front of the dorsal fin just before all 4 tigs died they started spinning and darting around after they died if you took them out of the tank they all felt very spongy and soft to feel
After losing the 4 I changed a few things added lots more air and flow to the tank and stopped feeding shrimp until the tig reached 12 inch I have not lost a tig since and grown 2 tigs from 4 inch to 25 inch + the one I have now is one of the 2 and I have had it for over 4 years
If someone is telling you what has worked for them after keeping tigs for over 8 years I can't see why you are trying to prove everything I am saying is wrong if it has worked for me
Ok so some tigs do ok with shrimp but others don't so it's only for a few months I'm recommending that people don't feed shrimp until you get the tig to 12 inch
Feed what you want but it's a unessary risk feeding shrimp
I lost a few tigs and had no idea why I did not over feed and the tig was lucky to grab what shrimp it could from the other fish
All 4 tigs got puffy looking with a large lump in front of the dorsal fin just before all 4 tigs died they started spinning and darting around after they died if you took them out of the tank they all felt very spongy and soft to feel
After losing the 4 I changed a few things added lots more air and flow to the tank and stopped feeding shrimp until the tig reached 12 inch I have not lost a tig since and grown 2 tigs from 4 inch to 25 inch + the one I have now is one of the 2 and I have had it for over 4 years
If someone is telling you what has worked for them after keeping tigs for over 8 years I can't see why you are trying to prove everything I am saying is wrong if it has worked for me
Ok so some tigs do ok with shrimp but others don't so it's only for a few months I'm recommending that people don't feed shrimp until you get the tig to 12 inch
Feed what you want but it's a unessary risk feeding shrimp
Ok ok this is not even what the thread is about. He wants to know if a Tig will get too big for a 180 gallon tank which I say with a doubt, Yes.
I'm not attempting to discount the fact that you lost 4 tigs, but that doesn't equate to the message that you are putting out. If what you said was true, the vast majority of tigs being fed by scores of people on arofanatics would all be dead by now, and that clearly isn't the case.
You have one example to offer, there are scores of examples on the site linked to above (which you are also a member of) that state otherwise.
As you said, forums are all about sharing information, which is exactly what myself & Balton were doing. To which you responded; "and so what if 2 people have fed shrimp " ....... which is why I posted the link to arofanatics above. There's numerous threads with numerous examples of tig owners that feed MP to juvie tigs, with no issues whatsoever.
And yes, the OP clearly doesn't have a tank large enough to house a tig long term, which I believe was established back on page1.
You have one example to offer, there are scores of examples on the site linked to above (which you are also a member of) that state otherwise.
As you said, forums are all about sharing information, which is exactly what myself & Balton were doing. To which you responded; "and so what if 2 people have fed shrimp " ....... which is why I posted the link to arofanatics above. There's numerous threads with numerous examples of tig owners that feed MP to juvie tigs, with no issues whatsoever.
And yes, the OP clearly doesn't have a tank large enough to house a tig long term, which I believe was established back on page1.
Look how many hundreds of tigs are sold around this time of year and how many do we see make it to adult size not many
I have seen loads of tigs die on arofanatics and people not knowing why after feeding MP
I have been using arofanatics for years and given the same advice about MP
You need to go back to arofanatics and look at older threads before you start saying that feeding MP might not be the cause of death
You are boring me now you can carry on feeding MP to small tigs but I won't be that's the end of it
A 180 is to small
I have seen loads of tigs die on arofanatics and people not knowing why after feeding MP
I have been using arofanatics for years and given the same advice about MP
You need to go back to arofanatics and look at older threads before you start saying that feeding MP might not be the cause of death
You are boring me now you can carry on feeding MP to small tigs but I won't be that's the end of it
A 180 is to small
There's no need to get all pissy, Neil. You have an opinion based on a single event that took place in your tank. Unless you have a crystal ball & special powers you obviously don't have clue one about what was taking place in anyone elses tank beyond what they may have posted on a forum somewhere. So you have grown out a couple of tigs & that somehow now makes you an authority on the subject, and no one else's experience or opinion has any merit? Get over yourself, plenty of hobbyists world-wide have grown tigs from small juvies to adult size. You ain't that special.
Millions of fish die every year in captivity, for numerous reasons.
Probably several million die each year while they are on a diet of pellets, using your logic I guess that everyone should stop feeding pellets too.
Have a nice day, sorry for boring you.
Millions of fish die every year in captivity, for numerous reasons.
Probably several million die each year while they are on a diet of pellets, using your logic I guess that everyone should stop feeding pellets too.
Have a nice day, sorry for boring you.
RD.;4943605; said:I'm not attempting to discount the fact that you lost 4 tigs, but that doesn't equate to the message that you are putting out. If what you said was true, the vast majority of tigs being fed by scores of people on arofanatics would all be dead by now, and that clearly isn't the case.
You have one example to offer, there are scores of examples on the site linked to above (which you are also a member of) that state otherwise.
As you said, forums are all about sharing information, which is exactly what myself & Balton were doing. To which you responded; "and so what if 2 people have fed shrimp " ....... which is why I posted the link to arofanatics above. There's numerous threads with numerous examples of tig owners that feed MP to juvie tigs, with no issues whatsoever.
And yes, the OP clearly doesn't have a tank large enough to house a tig long term, which I believe was established back on page1.
RD, I am not discounting your experience of fish keeping, so don't discount our experiences of keeping tigs. You are going off your one buddy's experience over your own experience with keeping Tigs. Taskan, T1, and I all have experienced negative effects from feeding tigs juvies shrimps.
Both T1 and I have done own research and have our experiences with Tigs personally and you are quick to dismiss our experiences because of Brett's experiences. If you are so confident about feeding shrimps to juvie tigs without your own experience, why bother posting on a discussion forum. You might as well write a scientific article.
It's great that Brett had success at feeding theirs shrimp at a young age, but it has caused complication with mine and T1's amongst other people's tigs. And I did not power feed/overfeed, I fed mine a 1/8 of a whole shrimp and it still regurgitated it out. It wasn't a water issue, it kepted feeder fish down, it kept pellets down, it just did not keep the shrimps down.
On top from T1's experiences I PMed Taksan a few months back about which types of prawns to feed, and his response was:
Taksan:
"And never feed prawns ....ever ! If you want them to eat crustaceans for the axitiine content its best to spend the $$$$ and feed live freshwater shrimp. Expensive yes but safer."
Just trying to share our experiences with a potential tig keeper (the OP).
