Top Eleven Myths About Flowerhorns and Those Who Keep Them
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there are a few chiclids endemic to india
the etroplus canararensis(spelling) is one of the rarest chiclids and very very difficult to get(overfished and large scale habitat destruction)
i keep FHs and many other chiclids and many other types of fish
i am not keeping FHs for money, actually have only lost money in getting them huge tanks for one fish and loads of food
keeping FHs is easy, if you are even a regular fish keeper, but to bring out the outstanding colors and looks you will have to put more effort and must have adequate knowledge
FHs are to stay and they are not a passing fad, you will have to believe that, as these fish are more easily available
these are chiclids just like most of your new strains of discus and variants of africans which aren't found in the wild but found in the hobby
whether it be a pure breed fish keeper or a FH keeper there are both types responsible and irresponsible
disfigured FHs have no place in a FH enthusiasts tanks as FHs aren't rated leniently, even a slight disfiguration and it would lose its value
its usually the purists who come out on the offence against the FH keepers, FH keepers are not going anywhere nor are the FHs, the purists must accept this and try and educate the irresponsible fish keepers about the harms of releasing aquarium fish in the wild
a lot of time and money is spent on getting some of these strains of FHs and the secret to get these strains is guarded as any great secret is
they are different and thats one of the reason they are so very attractive to a fish keeper
the etroplus canararensis(spelling) is one of the rarest chiclids and very very difficult to get(overfished and large scale habitat destruction)
i keep FHs and many other chiclids and many other types of fish
i am not keeping FHs for money, actually have only lost money in getting them huge tanks for one fish and loads of food
keeping FHs is easy, if you are even a regular fish keeper, but to bring out the outstanding colors and looks you will have to put more effort and must have adequate knowledge
FHs are to stay and they are not a passing fad, you will have to believe that, as these fish are more easily available
these are chiclids just like most of your new strains of discus and variants of africans which aren't found in the wild but found in the hobby
whether it be a pure breed fish keeper or a FH keeper there are both types responsible and irresponsible
disfigured FHs have no place in a FH enthusiasts tanks as FHs aren't rated leniently, even a slight disfiguration and it would lose its value
its usually the purists who come out on the offence against the FH keepers, FH keepers are not going anywhere nor are the FHs, the purists must accept this and try and educate the irresponsible fish keepers about the harms of releasing aquarium fish in the wild
a lot of time and money is spent on getting some of these strains of FHs and the secret to get these strains is guarded as any great secret is
they are different and thats one of the reason they are so very attractive to a fish keeper
BigRun;2711042; said:
Yes, true but all cichlids are perciformes and come from the same family of cichlidae. Unless your dog looks exactly like a wolf, then you have something that has been modified by man to be different than what is "wild." Once again, man molds his environment to suit his likes and dislikes, be it cichlid, dog, fruit, landscape, etc., etc.
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you poor missguided fool
this is a list of native malaysian fish
http://fish.mongabay.com/data/Malaysia.htm
you may notice thier are such species as
channa (snakeheades) known to be one of the most ferocious
killers in the deep
clarias catfish (walking catfish) again known to be a cold blooded killer
asian red tail catfish a nuther known killer
wallagoo attu (helicopter catfish) perhaps one of the largest catfish an adult would probably eat 20 full grown flowerhorns in one sitting
mangrove jacks mean as hell with a big set of canines
so you think flowerhorns will kill of all these bad boys?
wat about the other little fish you say wel if they can survive with the 1s i listed i dont think sum flowerhorns will cause much problem
flowerhorn in malaysia = fat ass snakeheads
rory_068;2711727; said:
I agree, Malaysian waters are full of predators that can easily out power a flowerhorn.
cogs;2711101; said:
keep an eye on this site. lots of local members breed fh. i got 2 from a member in my area for $5 each. some people have too many fry and need tank space too. check craigslist in your area. aquabid.com has good deals sometimes too. aquaticwonderland.com has a good $99 or less section.
pug;2711562; said:
Please note I am no expert on these matters but from what I understand, man molding a dog, would be the equivalent of say the Oscar in fishkeeping. Wild Oscars are rather bland and through selective breeding, we have developed "tiger", "red" "Platinum" "long finned" etc etc. (actually goldfish may be a better example of the range of genetic traits being developed.)
Just like we took the dog and bred certain traits to create the gamut of dogs, from Great Danes to pugs. Dogs, wolves, coyotes, and dingos are all subspecies and will hybridize in the wild without human interference.
I would say that the flowerhorn may be more akin to breeding a dog with a fox, which I am not sure is possible and is getting into a realm I am not comfortable debating.
Personally I would never keep Flowerhorns, some look very nice to me, some look vile and disgusting (The short bodied varieties) and some look so ridiculously red and "shiny" I keep looking for flashing lights hanging off their backs.
BigRun;2712225; said:
Im thinking NOT. FHs and dogs are a great comparison, Oscars are Oscars no matter what they look like. Wolfs and Poodles are so far apart from one another in appearance, yet as you said, in the wild they could have pup's. As compared to a veil finned albino tiger oscar and a wild caught oscar, they are still the same fish as noted by not only name but general body shape. FHs are a product of selective breeding / cross breeding / in-breeding, like a dog. A dash of this, a pinch of that, hmm missing something, add a little of this, WOW look at that, a keeper.
BigRun;2712225; said:
Dogs do not come from 1 single species of wolf. They are hybrids crossing of multiple species of wolves to obtain the quality or traits the breeder desires.
breeding Synapsilus to Labiatus as to breeding wolf to fox? That's absurd
Cichlid X Cichlid is like Canine x Canine
I also bet you there are also some hybrid cichlids in the wild you just don't hear about them.
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