Tropical Biotope ?'s

[DrownedFishonFire]

I recall one species i think it was the firebelly toad that was bad for others due to the toxins it secreted from it skin- I dunno if this applies to herps in general about mixing them up but I've seen neat setups with different arrow frogs- very neat! That tank setup also had water frog it looked like a leaf looking frog that stayed in the water. I dont remember whose it was but it was one of the most neat looking setups with black neon tetras.

 

[MyFishEatYourFish]

i would like to have firebellys, but they are banned in oregon, though i'm sure they would still be very easy to obtain as are pyxie frogs, another banned species. i would also really like to have arrow frogs, but they are so small and so expensive. i wouldn't put them in anything with larger frogs becuase of their tendency to eat anything that moves.
i will definitely have aquatic frogs though, dwarf clawed to start.

 

[Amaroq]

Honestly, don't mix species from around the world. At LEAST stick one country to mix them up in, better yet a specific area as I mentioned before like New Caledonia.

By doing what you seem to be planning on doing and ignoring everyone advise your asking for disease, death, and possible dismemberment.

P.S Ever heard of Chytrid ?

 

[kearth]

Honestly, don't mix species from around the world. At LEAST stick one country to mix them up in, better yet a specific area as I mentioned before like New Caledonia.

By doing what you seem to be planning on doing and ignoring everyone advise your asking for disease, death, and possible dismemberment.

P.S Ever heard of Chytrid ?

Thank god some one on my side.

I am not saying that red eyes are that hard to take care of. I am saying when you shove them into a tank with a bunch of other animals they would never really run into... you are going to have problems.

Mixing of darts frog for the one that mentioned it is a bad idea as well. yes it looks cool but not in the long run. Unlike many of the other reptiles hybrids and mixing of morphs is very very frowned upon in the dat frog community.

What size tank are you talking anyways? I may have missed it. I understand you are probably going to do what you want any way regardless of the good advice you have been given on this thread and with no regards for the health and wellbeing of the animals. WHy not just do a large habitat with one animal so you can see all the interactins they have?

 

[MyFishEatYourFish]

the whole enclosure is 6x3 now and will be in the 6' high range. the water portion will be about 100 gallons and the terrerium portion will be over 500.
i understand everyone's concern, but i think that this concern stems mainly from assuming i'm an idiot.
i would never put dart frogs in there because of there size and cost, i didn't know they could breed among morphs or that it was frowned upon, so hey, i learned something, the whole point of this thread.
i already said i'm going to stick to animals that would encounter eachother in the wild as much as i can, i think you just took "as much as i can" very lightly. i have no problem with putting a caribean cockroach that has been captive bred for thousands of generations in with animals from other parts of the world because they can't cause any problems, just like many types of fish that will be going in.
so, i am not shoving a bunch of animals together to see what happens without concern for the wellbeing of the animals, i am trying to learn about what can and cannot work. any supported advice i recieve on here i am taking note of and adjusting accordingly. if you think this is the stupidist idea you've ever heard of and there's no chance it will work, back it up with some supporting info so i can learn too.
a species only tank defeats the purpose, which is to see the cohabitation and interaction between different species.
i'm doing this thread to learn as much as possible about what i'm trying to do, so instead of telling me i'm an idiot that doesn't care about animals, how about telling me why you don't think this will work.

no, whats a chytrid?

 

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Amaroq brings up a very valid point with the chytrid. Chtrid is a very contagious fungus in amphibians and it is fatal to them so it would probably be a good idea to keep frogs out of the plan probably. Another thought I had was with the animals living above there will be a fair amount of waste going into the water portion of the enclosure so you will ned to do very frequent water changes and have one awesome filtration system too. And with this waste in the water uou will also have to worry the clawed frogs since they absorb si much trhey will have a higher chance of infection. Do you have a idea of what you want to put into the encloure yet?

 

[kearth]

Clawed frogs are one of the main carriers of Chytrid.

 

[MyFishEatYourFish]

Amaroq brings up a very valid point with the chytrid. Chtrid is a very contagious fungus in amphibians and it is fatal to them so it would probably be a good idea to keep frogs out of the plan probably. Another thought I had was with the animals living above there will be a fair amount of waste going into the water portion of the enclosure so you will need to do very frequent water changes and have one awesome filtration system too. And with this waste in the water you will also have to worry the clawed frogs since they absorb si much trhey will have a higher chance of infection. Do you have a idea of what you want to put into the encloure yet?

wow, i've never heard of chytrid, glad i've learned about it i am going to be thouroughly quarantining any animal that goes into this tank, so any deadly diseases will show up before they can get into the main enclosure. as long as i don't rush it and keep the enclosure clean, chytrid shouldn't be a problem, right? do you know where it comes from? does it host in insects until ingested or something like that?
i've kept many many clawed frogs and have found them to be qutie hardy so i am not worried about them, it should be noted as well that dwarf clawed frogs will be in here and not the larger ones since they can be very predatory.
as for filteration, there will be PLENTY! red cinder will be ~12" below and ~6" above the water where the land portion will be. then plants will be planted halfway into this with orchad bark and coconut fiber on top to hide cinder, hold moisture and provide a better habitat for inhabitants.the pumps will be at the very bottom of the tank part and push water through a pvc network that evenly distibutes water over the top of the dry cinder. this will create a farely huge bio filter and water the plants continuously which will grow roots and use much of the nutrients out of the water. i have alot of experience with fish and aquariums and have just recently got into herps. so i am pretty competent when it comes to maintaining the aquarium part.

as far as stocking goes, i'm still working on that, its the main point of this thread. i know i will have lobster cockroaches to start while others are quarantined, and am thinking about adding hissers, dubias, and turkistans as well just to have a variety. fish will be the first animals probably and i think i will start with some flying foxesto keep algae down so it doesn't steal nutrients from the plants and make it ugly. then go from there as i decide on terrestrials. the first land animals will be cheap, similairly sized to redeye, tree frogs, house geckos and/or anoles. then see how that works for a month or two and go from there.

does anyone see any reasons why that can't work?

 

[MyFishEatYourFish]

Clawed frogs are one of the main carriers of Chytrid.

good to know, i may just rule them out then if i ever notice it in a quarantine tank.

in captivity arrow frogs aren't poisonous right? becuase they get the toxins from what they eat in the wild.

 

[kearth]

good to know, i may just rule them out then if i ever notice it in a quarantine tank.

in captivity arrow frogs aren't poisonous right? becuase they get the toxins from what they eat in the wild.

Yes that is correct.

Chytrid does not got away with QT it has to be treated.