TSN in 180?

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Been mulling this thread over in my head while I was out running today....another factor I believe is important to fish attaining maximum potential is nitrates we all think of nitrates as the relatively harmless end product of the nitrogen cycle, but I believe long term exposure to relatively high(>10) nitrates must have a negative affect on the fishes growth, after all there are 0 nitrates in the Amazon...so the fish species adaptability to having some nitrates in the tank environment will determine just how close it comes to its max potential, this would be especially true for wild caught fish that have come from a nitrate free environment. I know you will all say WATER CHANGES this is true but Iknow for a fact my tap water contains 20ppm nitrates which is what I'm starting from so unless I used RO water my tanks are always going to have some nitrates in them.....
 
Problem with tsn is that they are way too skittish for my taste. That skittishness increases dramatically when the tank gets smaller. I do not enjoy a catfish housed such that either it stays in one spot not moving; or it would dash about the tank knocking everything over and hurt itself in the process. For the same size, rtc(No in anything less that a 3-4 foot WIDE tank) is much calmer in a smaller tank.


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scarysdad said:
Been mulling this thread over in my head while I was out running today....another factor I believe is important to fish attaining maximum potential is nitrates we all think of nitrates as the relatively harmless end product of the nitrogen cycle, but I believe long term exposure to relatively high(>10) nitrates must have a negative affect on the fishes growth, after all there are 0 nitrates in the Amazon...so the fish species adaptability to having some nitrates in the tank environment will determine just how close it comes to its max potential, this would be especially true for wild caught fish that have come from a nitrate free environment. I know you will all say WATER CHANGES this is true but Iknow for a fact my tap water contains 20ppm nitrates which is what I'm starting from so unless I used RO water my tanks are always going to have some nitrates in them.....
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Another logical thought. True. Yet, it can be easily extrapolated to a lot of things being different in a tank or even a large artificial pond versus Amazon, starting from the chemical environment/water composition (including nitrates, traces of heavy metals etc., etc. etc. there is a myriad of chemicals in any water) and ending with the room to hunt and exercise...

One thing science is a bit sure about is that nitrates can be associated with a lazy intestine, slow/poor digestion. High nitrates (unfortunately can't cite a number) are one of the common causes of bloat and float (swimming bladder jam) in goldfish.
 
oneyedfish said:
How so? I have what I believe to be a Metaense, he grew about 1.5-2" a month until he hit 16". No noticable growth since then. From the research I've done, the largest on record in the wild is 21". My guy is perfectly content in his 180.


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not for the TSN.
 
Can't help but bump this... as this is a topic near and dear to my heart in regaurds to a big thing we call "husbandry"... i'mna make this short atm since its late and I should be in bed :WHOA:

I have raised on "mainly live" I strive for a 60/40 mix of live/frozen/"raw" and pellets...

- an aba aba knife now 18"+ and over 2yrs old... notoriousely hard to raise from the 3"? juvi we started with who his first year only ate live foods.
- multiple gar species from fingerling size, all now well within' average wild growth sizes and not "obese" as you see many gar after the first year
- spiney eels... imo the biggest subspecies I'm dedicated to supporting live feeding with as these fish notoriousely refuse all but live and the growth rates and species I've now successfully raised in only a matter of a few years reaching or beating the largest captive sizes known, and reaching wild sizes.

I look at pellets for my fish as I do vitamins for my family... they suppliment what we miss in our day to day eating habits. imho no pellet can stand alone as a "perfect food" for my fish as they all eat different things in the wild, it's absurd imho to assume any 1 food is "the best" for all fish, even within' the relm of "specialty pellets"

def think you both came up with valid pros and cons in doing just that... tropical fish should get tropical foods.. cold water fish should get cold water foods... imho the pellet companies aren't much different then our own food companies telling us why "raw" foods are bad and we should eat and feed our pets a "formulated diet"..

I'm a mom, a wife, and I take my job in feeding my family the best I can... pets included.

My goal at the end of the day is to not just have "huge fish" but healthy ones not fat ones... same as the rest my family. I found a pellet only diet even restricted ect ='s obese fish. are pellets getting better? imo yes, but I don't think there will be a magic food for them then I do myself at the end of the day... Only in fishkeeping are "prepared diets" considered better then "raw diets" for our pets, Every other exotic species I know of in captivity because fish aren't domesticated.. and even then we can talk dogs and cats and the raw diet movements let alone humans ect.... They get a "raw diet" supplemented with "vitamins".

I go ni ni now! :banher:
 
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