I just noticed Fishes33 lives in Toronto... it's illegal to own a venomous in Toronto if I remember correctly from reading the Venomous section on ReptilesCanada. Even then, there are a lot of cities and counties that ban venomous. Good luck finding a place in Canada that have both a decent job and allow ownership of venomous.
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Kioka;1281796; said:
you are correct, But, they are easy to obtain, even if there illegal, that is the problem, all he has to do is get it shipped to a county twenty mins away and pick it up there,
anyways, I have had lots and lots of snake experience, just from how he talks i know hes not ready for a hot, let alone an arboreal hot, he couldnt even handle an arboreal constrictor at this point, I bet you a carpet python would give him a run for his money, he should start with columbreds work to smaller boids, up to larger boids, into arboreals THEN after years and years, if he is ready, then move to hots,
Have you ever been bitten by a Non venomous snake? if so.. just think, that could have been the end of your life right there, if you decided to start with a Hot..
Take everyones advice, and start with a easier snake..
and something LEGAL.
Kioka;1281796; said:
He was on about moving..
Ahh what to do. Don't get a hot. I always fancied a venomous one day.
But you know something?
I was holding my baby boa one day, he had been *dog tame* (as they say) the day before when I was holding him, and seemed to be fine that day. I was just letting him sit on my hand, and didn't move a muscle (I was reading a thread on here at the time actually), and honestly never moved, but he bit my thumb for no reason at all. Totally unpredictable. And so fast.
You think a baby boas fast you will NEVER see a viper coming your way.
Just something to think about. Right there and then, I matured and got a HUGE reality check.
No is there no need for flaming, and Ophi is wrong here (whether he admits it or not, and I won't argue about it neither). I myself have said time and time again no wants advice thats slapped in they're face as somebody also said earlier. It is NOT going to make him take your advice, and if you question his immaturity, that's MORE reason not to be abusive. Immature people don't take harsh critisism.
Thats not to say I don't think your being completely idoitic here (and thats not meant offensive, you are!) irresponsible and immature. I can see why Ophi is so irrated here, as it is little minded attitudes like this that make US lose OUR freedom because of YOUR immaturity. That's not fair. Imagine YOU didn't have the oppurtunity to keep an eyelash viper (when you were ready) because of somebody like YOU ruining YOUR oppurtunity.
Do get experience with non venomous aggressive snakes. And aboreal ones for that matter. Do get experience with hots. Don't get an eyelash viper until you have experienced all there is to experience, if you don't do this, you really do indeed need to grow up. And thats coming from a 15 year old..
Stop thinking you know it all..you've read one source. Look at this way..you know Steve Irwin yeah..how experienced was he and look what happened to HIM. You not only need to mature and learn ALOT more about this animal and get more hands on experience, but you need to take responsibilty.
I started working in a pet shop when I was 12. This girl bought a baby Burm and was a regular customer. By the time I was 17, her snake was 14 ft long.
She bought several habitat upgrades along the way, the last being a 150g tank before having to build a custom enclosure.
The snake was handled regularly throughout it's life; never bit and the girl had a good feel for it's personality. Burm's, afterall, are pretty gentle snakes and have a great reputation.
She stopped coming in on a regular basis and I left to find a real job.
A few years later, I stopped back in to my old pet shop and asked my former boss whatever happened to the girl with the 14 ft burm.
It seems she was cleaning out the enclosure and had put the snake on her bad. She's done this a hundred times before; the snake would just lay there, coiled up on her bed. She's just about done cleaning up when without warning, she takes a bite to the face-from about 8 feet away!
Fortunately, he didn't clamp down-he just hit her with an open mouth so she only needed moderate reconstructive surgery on her face.
The entire family loved this snake and cried when they donated it to the Bronx zoo. Nobody knows what happened to the snake but the girl just couldn't keep it anymore, despite her emotional attachment.
This is a true story, and there are a few points to take from it.
Snakes are wild animals. It is wise to never forget that, especially when dealing with a 14 footer.
Had this girls Burm decided to wrap a few coils around her, she would be dead. She's lucky the bite was a fear/aggressive behavior and not a food driven strike or she would have died in her own bedroom (Her parents were downstars and surely would not have noticed).
Also, had this snake been a hard biter, like a Retic for example, she would have been hurt much more.
To the original poster, I say go ahead and get an Eyelash viper. It will probably die before it has a chance to kill you but your friends will think you are very cool.
She bought several habitat upgrades along the way, the last being a 150g tank before having to build a custom enclosure.
The snake was handled regularly throughout it's life; never bit and the girl had a good feel for it's personality. Burm's, afterall, are pretty gentle snakes and have a great reputation.
She stopped coming in on a regular basis and I left to find a real job.
A few years later, I stopped back in to my old pet shop and asked my former boss whatever happened to the girl with the 14 ft burm.
It seems she was cleaning out the enclosure and had put the snake on her bad. She's done this a hundred times before; the snake would just lay there, coiled up on her bed. She's just about done cleaning up when without warning, she takes a bite to the face-from about 8 feet away!
Fortunately, he didn't clamp down-he just hit her with an open mouth so she only needed moderate reconstructive surgery on her face.
The entire family loved this snake and cried when they donated it to the Bronx zoo. Nobody knows what happened to the snake but the girl just couldn't keep it anymore, despite her emotional attachment.
This is a true story, and there are a few points to take from it.
Snakes are wild animals. It is wise to never forget that, especially when dealing with a 14 footer.
Had this girls Burm decided to wrap a few coils around her, she would be dead. She's lucky the bite was a fear/aggressive behavior and not a food driven strike or she would have died in her own bedroom (Her parents were downstars and surely would not have noticed).
Also, had this snake been a hard biter, like a Retic for example, she would have been hurt much more.
To the original poster, I say go ahead and get an Eyelash viper. It will probably die before it has a chance to kill you but your friends will think you are very cool.
Jessica Dring;1284337; said:
In all due respect, we did attempt the polite approach first. This only goes to show that immature people rarely take any advice, whether its spoon-fed to them with ice cream or dropped on them with an anvil. They're just like children; if you tell them they can't have a cookie before dinner, all they're gonna do is hate you and find a way to get it anyway, no matter if you tell them nicely or spank them.
yes maybe so. no need to be plain abusive though mate. I don' like people like LC who don't take advice either, but there is no need to start offending him. After all, you only tried once with politeness, you never tried in another way.
Very true.
[I know we've had this discussion regarding my methods of administring advice.]If I'm not the one who tries it myself, I usually let someone else try the nice approach. And then, if that doesn't seem to get the point across (and occasionally, it does), that's when the frying pan comes out for smackin'. I figure if I'm gonna beat a head against a wall out of frustration from someone else's stupidity, it might as well be theirs and not mine.
I'll admit the "compensation" comment was a little harsh. But still, the guy's attitude towards getting a viper with no experience is foolhardy and no one can disagree with that.
[I know we've had this discussion regarding my methods of administring advice.]If I'm not the one who tries it myself, I usually let someone else try the nice approach. And then, if that doesn't seem to get the point across (and occasionally, it does), that's when the frying pan comes out for smackin'. I figure if I'm gonna beat a head against a wall out of frustration from someone else's stupidity, it might as well be theirs and not mine.
I'll admit the "compensation" comment was a little harsh. But still, the guy's attitude towards getting a viper with no experience is foolhardy and no one can disagree with that.
