WEST COAST vs. EAST COAST....

[mjuniorc]

So what does prove? That gold spangles is not a clear cut form of identification. You want to get scientific than we need to start counting the scales.

..... when can we start....
just kidding..... that would be a pain in the ***...

 

[R1_Ridah]

Also,

Anyone remember this thread.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101159&highlight=bar+mono

This use to be Reds, that ended up with Li before selling it to Mike who then sold it to member Tripletail. Below is a picture triple tail had posted as of late. (Tripletail, hopefully you don't mind that I post your picture).

I would say this is the same batch as the one I posted above.

 

[Bogwoodbruce]

Wow you know so much R1 your a wealth of knowledge as are most of the cichla heads on here

 

[R1_Ridah]

Also,

Anyone remember this thread.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101159&highlight=bar+mono

This use to be Reds, that ended up with Li before selling it to Mike who then sold it to member Tripletail. Below is a picture triple tail had posted as of late. (Tripletail, hopefully you don't mind that I post your picture).

I would say this is the same batch as the one I posted above.

LOL.. forgot the picture.

 

[R1_Ridah]

Wow you know so much R1 your a wealth of knowledge as are most of the cichla heads on here

Thanks Boggy but I'm far from knowing anything about Cichla. Just know enough from what I read on the web and experience with the PBASS I have.

 

[R1_Ridah]

When the first batches of Kelberis came in (excluding Scat's as I believe his came from Japan) they came in three shipments. All from various locations. Soon after they reached good size to be properly identified they were said to be Kelberis.

Now, lets take for example the specie noted as "Madiera type sp" as pictured on this website, later to be described as Cichla Pleiozona.

http://www.aquatarium.de/home/pub/185.htm

One of The distinguishing feature is that of the fourth bar on the caudal peduncle. As clearly pictured on the German website. You can see evident of gold spangles. In addition the bars seem to point in a V shape.

On Fishbase it notes the following;

(http://www.fishbase.org/summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=62992)


presence (with occasional exceptions) of dark vertical bar (bar 4) anteriorly on caudal peduncle which is typically absent in both kelberi and monoculus, and from kelberi by absence of light spots on anal and pelvic fins and lower lobe of caudal fin (Ref. 57716).

Now, take a look at one of my (what is said to be Kelberi)

The first picture is when it was smaller (7-8"). As you can see the gold spangles are just starting to develop.

The second picture (12") (bottom) the gold spangles are more pronounce and you can still see the 4th bar on the caudal peduncle. Two of what is said to be KELBERI's yet look so DIFFEREN'T. Body color differs, head shape differs and bars differ.

Now, you tell me. Possibility of Pleiozona or a mix of a Pleizona sp & Kelberi?

So what does prove? That gold spangles is not a clear cut form of identification. You want to get scientific than we need to start counting the scales. Anyways, just thinking outside the box and see what peoples thoughts are.

Also, this point is directed to my mentor Red....come out the closet and post you freak.... I know you'll see this...HAHAHAHAHA.... =-P

This is something that we battle about over the phone..hahahahaha

Had to fix the links...oopsie.

 

[silverdragon]

daaamn R1 i agree your knowledge on Cichla is crazy!

 

[bOOsteN aUdI]

Sorry, should have been more clear. I was referring to Oliver from Below Waters, that the stock he has is F1? ( At least that is what I heard, again all hearsay, unless Oliver chimes in and states the facts).

I will re-phrase.

As for the 40 Rapps brought in I'm just curious where the others went. That is why regardless the qty that was brought in they are still rare. From the 40 how many will reach the 12" mark? presumably a low percentage.

understandable .... well i would say that about 10 out 40 may make it to 12 inches depending on who owns them, but like you said only a few people posted pictures and it doesnt add up to 40.

ever see tongues mono.. it has one kelberi spot on its pelvic fin.

 

[bOOsteN aUdI]

Sorry, should have been more clear. I was referring to Oliver from Below Waters, that the stock he has is F1? ( At least that is what I heard, again all hearsay, unless Oliver chimes in and states the facts).

I will re-phrase.

As for the 40 Rapps brought in I'm just curious where the others went. That is why regardless the qty that was brought in they are still rare. From the 40 how many will reach the 12" mark? presumably a low percentage.

LOL.. forgot the picture.

this guy is insain btw.. i think reds 4 bar has 3 on one side and 4 on the other right? also have you ever seen a kelberi with a noctual hump? i havent.. the same applies for orinos

 

[Tripletail]

LOL.. forgot the picture.

Here is another pic of 4/5 bar,plus a couple azul shots for calisucks