Which parachromis for my 300

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
Aquamojo;5130357; said:
With what you have listed there...plus your wishlist...forget about the Parachromis...you are already overstocked.

My two cents.

You think?

Female GT 10-12"
Male Jd 12-14"
Male Midas 14-16"
Con 4-6"
Firemouth 6"

This is the current stock. The festae is top of the wishlist for both myself and my wife. Would you stop there? I know at this point the inch per gallon rule doesn't apply as now we are talking about space and territoriality with these fish. The parachromis was my first choice but I really want the festae more.
 
Anyone else see me being overstocked if I add either a festae or parachromis to the current stock? That would be 4 fish over a foot each in an 8' tank. Seems like I'd be ok with alot of scape and site breaks
 
Aquamojo;5130899; said:

:( ...... so you're saying a Jd, GT, Midas, con and firemouth is all you would put in a 300 gallon 8' tank? Seems like I'd have space for at least one or two more fish depending on the species. Could you elaborate?
 
Jc1119;5131099; said:
:( ...... so you're saying a Jd, GT, Midas, con and firemouth is all you would put in a 300 gallon 8' tank? Seems like I'd have space for at least one or two more fish depending on the species. Could you elaborate?


Sure. You could keep all of those fish plus your "dreamlist" fish at the size you mentioned for a period of time. In my opinion the adult specimens do not have enough room to thrive. Note I didn't say survive. Big difference IMHO. My opinion. There are others.
 
I am going to have to disagree with Aqua on this one. It really depends on the fish's attitude. Check out post 16 in this thread. These fish obviously all get along with each other (no torn fins, etc), so overlapping territories isn't a problem. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59793& 300 gallons is more that enough to keep parameters under control with the fish you want. As long as the fish get along, there isn't any reason why your fish couldn't thrive in that environment. This site is peppered with 125's with worse stock than that.

You can't put rubber-stamp-rules on cichlids. To say they won't live in that tank happily is like saying that a pit and a rottie can't live in the same house. True they may fight, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily will. They might be best friends.
 
Aquamojo;5131136; said:
Sure. You could keep all of those fish plus your "dreamlist" fish at the size you mentioned for a period of time. In my opinion the adult specimens do not have enough room to thrive. Note I didn't say survive. Big difference IMHO. My opinion. There are others.

Cool. And I really do appreciate the input. It's certainly not about trying to cram as many fish as possible into my tank either. But I find it strange that someone says I'm overstocked. I know it's your opinion but I'm curious what you think the stocking would need to be for my fish to " thrive". Do you feel the current stock is overstocked in a 300 gallon tank? All residents excefitter the Midas are growing up together in a 90. They will move into the 300 with the Midas in about 6 weeks.
 
frnchjeep;5131203; said:
I am going to have to disagree with Aqua on this one. It really depends on the fish's attitude. Check out post 16 in this thread. These fish obviously all get along with each other (no torn fins, etc), so overlapping territories isn't a problem. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59793& 300 gallons is more that enough to keep parameters under control with the fish you want. As long as the fish get along, there isn't any reason why your fish couldn't thrive in that environment. This site is peppered with 125's with worse stock than that.

You can't put rubber-stamp-rules on cichlids. To say they won't live in that tank happily is like saying that a pit and a rottie can't live in the same house. True they may fight, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily will. They might be best friends.

Good points. And part of the reason I want all stock on hand when the tank is stocked. All fish roughly the same size going in together. Including the festae and/or parachromis.
 
I wont speak for Mo, but to me, for the most part, "overstocked" means population/species rates different than they would be in the wild (and yes, I know its not the wild and theyre in a glass box etc etc blah blah blah...but aesthetically speaking.)

Those fish wouldnt live that close to each other in the wild because they simply wouldnt tolerate each other (or find each other if geographically different). When you MAKE them do so, other adverse affects take over with their growth rates, eating habits, reproduction habits etc etc etc.

That many fish in an 8ft tank (which really isnt that big compared to how theyd live in nature) wont thrive. They may get 10+ inches, may eat like you (we) expect them to, but they wont act natural...and it is about "trying to cram as many fish as possible into the tank" if theres more than 1 large pair with some smaller pairs of less aggressive fish around, like there would be in nature.

How may 300g tanks do you see with 1 pair? or 265g with 1 pair? or 125g with 1 pair? Hardly any because thats a "waste" of tank space by MFK standards. Not speaking specifically of you or anyone reading this, but these fish are mostly possessions, bling, bragging rights etc on MFK, not really what one would describe as "pets".

Not many people on here (aside from ones with mental disorders) would cram as many dogs in a kennel as we do fish in an aquarium, especially not breeding pairs or aggressive males/ females and expect any rate of success of compatibility, would they? And if someone answers yes to that, to me, their opinions dont matter because they arent too humane or bright to begin with. With fish we just dont suffer the instant mortality rate you would with keeping other animals in such confined quarters.

"Overcrowded" , like most everything else on MFK, is subjective at best. What works for some doesnt for others & vice versa.
 
VRWC;5131558; said:
I wont speak for Mo, but to me, for the most part, "overstocked" means population/species rates different than they would be in the wild (and yes, I know its not the wild and theyre in a glass box etc etc blah blah blah...but aesthetically speaking.)

Those fish wouldnt live that close to each other in the wild because they simply wouldnt tolerate each other (or find each other if geographically different). When you MAKE them do so, other adverse affects take over with their growth rates, eating habits, reproduction habits etc etc etc.

That many fish in an 8ft tank (which really isnt that big compared to how theyd live in nature) wont thrive. They may get 10+ inches, may eat like you (we) expect them to, but they wont act natural...and it is about "trying to cram as many fish as possible into the tank" if theres more than 1 large pair with some smaller pairs of less aggressive fish around, like there would be in nature.

How may 300g tanks do you see with 1 pair? or 265g with 1 pair? or 125g with 1 pair? Hardly any because thats a "waste" of tank space by MFK standards. Not speaking specifically of you or anyone reading this, but these fish are mostly possessions, bling, bragging rights etc on MFK, not really what one would describe as "pets".

Not many people on here (aside from ones with mental disorders) would cram as many dogs in a kennel as we do fish in an aquarium, especially not breeding pairs or aggressive males/ females and expect any rate of success of compatibility, would they? And if someone answers yes to that, to me, their opinions dont matter because they arent too humane or bright to begin with. With fish we just dont suffer the instant mortality rate you would with keeping other animals in such confined quarters.

"Overcrowded" , like most everything else on MFK, is subjective at best. What works for some doesnt for others & vice versa.

I see. So by that definition of " overcrowded " a breeding pair of green terrors in a 300 gallon would not be overcrowded because they would claim the whole area, as they do in the wild, and it would be as close to their natural environment as possible. They would act natural and further, they would thrive. I get this.....

The thing that I don't get is how is any fish going to act natural in any sized tank if it's allowed to watch television, or sit on the sidelines and watch the daily games of catch with my daughter and two dogs, or be hand fed food on a daily basis. In our house, the fish are pets. They all have names and distinct personalities and we interact with them alot. My daughter who's 6 still talks about how much she misses our l75 para, that she named "Apple", which died last year. We are pet people in our house and this tank is as much hers as it is mine.


We like cichids but I don't really own anything you couldn't find at petsmart. There is no lfs around me and my daughters loves two things. Ice cream and fish( not together):confused: So we hit Cold Stone and petsmart. Sometimes we just look, but once in awhile we buy a fish and it's immediately named as it's put in the bag. For anything I really want, I'm stuck with ordering online. My daughter helps me with that too. But even then, what I find interesting isn't usually the most expensive or exotic fish either. Not much to brag about with my collection other than some cool names....the ones my daughter gives them, not the scientific ones.....

But I also have no immediate interest in breeding anything at this time. I travel too much to be able to be ask my wife ( who loves fish but is definitely a non fish person) to handle a breeding pair of anything. At some point in my life when I'm home more I definitely want to try, but now is just not the time.

So with this tank we plan on it being a cichlid tank with some cool fish. We like the parachromis species alot and would like to add one of the several species to the stock we already have. I get that there are those that feel I'm overstocked already and while I appreciate the input, it really wasn't what I was asking. There are 5 fish on the current stocklist. There are three on the wishlist. If the parachromis is the fish I decide to add from the wishlist which one would you chose ( and yes I understand " none your already overstocked " is a viable answer)
 
MonsterFishKeepers.com