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[Gshock]

Seriously, most people don't even know how to tell the difference between HBRTG and a gold. If you were to show someone with experience, im pretty sure they'll tell you which one it is right off the bat even if you were to have a $2k gold. I do not see that as a scam. If you had breeding dogs, I dont think you would gaurantee your buyer that it will come out looking exactly like the parents. Living things will change over time, how they change isn't going to be known until it happens, thats just how life is, deal with it. What you pay for is what you get, don't blame asia for taking the good stuff. There is NO WAY you wouldn't be able to get the high quality stuff if you were willing to cough up the cash that they are giving, you just aren't shown the good stuff becuase that's way out of what you would actually pay.

 

[Chaitika]

The truth is that the best fish are reserved for those who are willing to pay the most money for those fish. Not just aros, but all fish. Hey, if I were the farmer, I'd do the same thing.

But don't show me pics of 30K aros and lead me to believe I can get the same fish for 2K. Show me pics of 2K adults and then we'll see how many I buy.

That's the point being made in this thread.

 

[Gshock]

The truth is that the best fish are reserved for those who are willing to pay the most money for those fish. Not just aros, but all fish. Hey, if I were the farmer, I'd do the same thing.

But don't show me pics of 30K aros and lead me to believe I can get the same fish for 2K. Show me pics of 2K adults and then we'll see how many I buy.

That's the point being made in this thread.

Im pretty sure only middlemen do that. If you request, Im pretty sure farms would take a photo of the actual fish they would be sending you. But in a pool of 40 aros, I REALLY doubt you can pick out which parent is the actual parent of the aro you're about to buy. All they can do is take a picture of the best looking one.

 

[jlnguyen74]

as some of the other posts in this thread shows its not just me who has had enough of this total rip off $2k aro thing

the farms sell us aros that are labelled as xback but they turn out no better than HBRTG

1 in 100 $2k xback MAY turn out nice the rest look like HBRTG

I think its about time the farms done something about the standard of xback they are selling

most people spend the $2k on a xback thinking it will turn out sweet when if the truth be known it wont

after 2-3 years when the xback should be starting to look great and show signs of crossing their is not much the buyer can do if its not as nice as they thought it would be

this could be another scam the farms are doing because if every xback they sell turned out sweet people wouldn't sell them and buy another aro

HBRTG looking xback means the owner will sell and buy another aro hoping that would turn out nice which is what i have been doing for the past 15 years

Sounds like kicking a dead horse, but I wish you would have some picture of your 2K "xback" that looks like a "HBRTG", and the Certificate that goes with the same fish, because from my limited knowledge, there's distinct differences between "Xback" and "HBRTG" just like 3-bar Indo and ST. You can paint a crow white, but it won't be a pigeon (have you heard that story? ) To think farms pulling scam is beyond my imagination. I wouldn't be surprise to hear LFS or middle-man doing that, but why would farm doing such thing, unless they don't want to be in the market/business anymore! You said you've been buying aro for the past 15 years, but from my limited knowledge, again, the term "xback" or "HBRTG" only existed the past 10 years. Back in mid-90, arowana still goes as MG, RTG, Red, or Green. There was no Super Red, Chili Red, HBRTG, or other terms than the four above, and RGT by that time was considered as hybrid

I think the Japan/China market pays though the teeth for top grade aros and that's where all the top grade aros are going. I think the european/canadian markets get the leftovers, and because we're willing to pay for them, it will continue until hobbyists stop buying them. At this point, it's a sellers market.

It's "You Get What You Paid" market , not seller nor buyer market.

i agree we get the junk other Asian counrys just wont except

even when we/or buyers go over to look at aros for sale we are not even shown the good stuff

their was a post in this thread that said super grade reds are of lower grade than blood red or chili red well i have a chili red and i wouldn't say thats great

i have been told (not sure if its true) that any aro that has a A at the end of the tag number is export junk

Who said super red is lower grade than blood red or chili red is my Idol! Aren't they all market name for Red? Aren't they grade them as G1, G2, or A, AA, AAA, AAAA, or B...?

The truth is that the best fish are reserved for those who are willing to pay the most money for those fish. Not just aros, but all fish. Hey, if I were the farmer, I'd do the same thing.

But don't show me pics of 30K aros and lead me to believe I can get the same fish for 2K. Show me pics of 2K adults and then we'll see how many I buy.

That's the point being made in this thread.

Well, if someone who shows you a 30K fish picture and lead you to believe you can get the same fish for 2K, then that's a scam! However, pictures of the parents were showed to display the "potential!" You didn't buy the parents. You didn't buy the "same fish!" You bought the offsprings, the ones that carry the "potential," the "trait." Although the offsprings carry the "potential," it doesn't guarantee the offsprings will look 100% like the parents. That's the reason why the parents are 30K while the offsprings is 2K and up, and the "up" ones display more "potential" while the "2K" one display "2K potential." Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, but it still falls farther from the root of the tree! Farm doesn't lead people in thinking. That's why they have different price tag for the same type of fish

 

[Chaitika]

Well, if someone who shows you a 30K fish picture and lead you to believe you can get the same fish for 2K, then that's a scam! However, pictures of the parents were showed to display the "potential!" You didn't buy the parents. You didn't buy the "same fish!" You bought the offsprings, the ones that carry the "potential," the "trait." Although the offsprings carry the "potential," it doesn't guarantee the offsprings will look 100% like the parents. That's the reason why the parents are 30K while the offsprings is 2K and up, and the "up" ones display more "potential" while the "2K" one display "2K potential." Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, but it still falls farther from the root of the tree! Farm doesn't lead people in thinking. That's why they have different price tag for the same type of fish

Some good points in there. Thanks.

 

[T1KARMANN]

For lower-end aro, it will only state Malaysian Golden or super red.

For higher end it will state things like Golden Head, or Blood red, chilli red and so on.

their you go someone did say higher end reds are certed as blood or chili red

if you buy a BMW it will be a BMW
if you buy a chow dog it will be a chow dog
if you buy a xback it should be a xback not a HBRTG

you say we should trust the farms as they are the honest people in the sales if this is true why do they put the aros in white tanks to increase shine levels this is something the farms do not the LFS

 

[jlnguyen74]

their you go someone did say higher end reds are certed as blood or chili red

if you buy a BMW it will be a BMW
if you buy a chow dog it will be a chow dog
if you buy a xback it should be a xback not a HBRTG

you say we should trust the farms as they are the honest people in the sales if this is true why do they put the aros in white tanks to increase shine levels this is something the farms do not the LFS

If you pay for a 325 BMW, you'll get a 325 BMW, not a 740 BMW!
If you pay for a chow dog, you'll get a chow dog, not the Westminster Best-in-show chow dog!

There's a different between "shine" and translucent of the scales. Putting an aro in white tank may increase the translucent, but not the "shine" Don't get me wrong! I didn't say you should trust the farm, or they are honest people (honest and people hardly go together! ) However, I did say that farm hardly pull scam like selling you a RTG with a MG Cert., unless they don't plan to stay in the market/business

 

[RDFISHGUY]

WTT just brings out the potential of the fish at an early age. If you put that fish in a tank with a black background the shine will fade at first but will come back over time.

You do get what you pay for. If you think you can buy a XB for 2k and get the same quality as 30k you are sadly mistaken. You can get a decent quality XB though.

I paid $1800 for this guy.

Fresh out of WTT

1 year later

 

[jlnguyen74]

WTT just brings out the potential of the fish at an early age. If you put that fish in a tank with a black background the shine will fade at first but will come back over time.

You do get what you pay for. If you think you can buy a XB for 2k and get the same quality as 30k you are sadly mistaken. You can get a decent quality XB though.

I paid $1800 for this guy.

Very nice! Thanks for sharing

 

[Gshock]

their you go someone did say higher end reds are certed as blood or chili red

if you buy a BMW it will be a BMW
if you buy a chow dog it will be a chow dog
if you buy a xback it should be a xback not a HBRTG

you say we should trust the farms as they are the honest people in the sales if this is true why do they put the aros in white tanks to increase shine levels this is something the farms do not the LFS

Man, think about it, if you were trying to sell something, you'd want to make the item you're selling look as apealling AS POSSIBLE. I dont think you walk into car dealers looking at cars while the lights are dim and half the light bulbs are burnt out. Every freaking car dealer i've been to has REALLY bright lighting with their BEST car in the most spotlight, why? Becuase they want you to see really how good it looks. I dont think you would buy a brand new car and then come back to complain that your new car looks dull in your dim garage. Or when you buy a used tank, obviously the seller tries to clean the tank as much as he can to make it look like its in the best condition it could possibly be in. It's not scamming or anything, neither is it being dishonest. The real issue here is, you think every x-back should be EXACTLY the same and that 2k xbacks should turn out like 20k xbacks. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. You're basically saying an altima will perform like a GTR. Look at RD's gold, the shine has obviously reached 6th level, but thats almost a given, but his gold doesnt fully cross onto the back. Just becuase it doesnt fully cross onto the back, doesn't mean its not an xback. It's reached 6th level, period, the farm has done its duty.