Wild Blue Umbees: Monster X
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NWatson;5091864; said:
Whats up NWATSON, How are the Dovii? I just wanted to clearify that Location X and Location Z are not Rio Magdalena UMBRIFERUM. Blue UMBRIFERUM exist in other Rivers and Lakes in Colombia besides the Rio Magdalena. Infact they are in some places not mentioned in Cichlid Books and other Cichlid Literature were you can find them. Location X is a good 3hrs away from the Rio Magdalena and is a Lake in the Jungle. Location Z is 6hrs from the Rio Magdalena and is a River that only few Fisherman know about. I created the names Location X and Location Z to protect the name of there true destinations. I collected specimens from these locations because in my opinon they are the most beautiful Blue Umbriferum as I have seen many other strains of Blue Umbriferum from different river system in Colombia. With that said each population has there own unique characteristics about them. There is even a population of Blue Umbriferum with a Yellow head, blue freckles and blue body. I plan on collecting this race of Umbriferum next year and introduce them to the hobby. I do beileve it is the Cichlids enviorment and nutrition that plays a roll in there unique characteristics. With the introduction of the two new strain of Blue Umbriferum (Location X and Z) The Blue Umbriferum gene pool in America will be strong for many years to come. For a long time only two different color morphs of Umbriferum was known two the hobby (Green and Blue) and from my reasrch I can tell you there alot more than we think. If we look hard enough we may even discover something new!
@UMBEEKING Wow cant wait for the new strain to make it out into the hobby. Thanks for collecting and soon to be introducing the new strain of umbees. Is there such thing as the infamous black umbee?
UMBEEKING;5096914; said:
I here ya. I was wrong stating they were Rio Mag. although they are all still Columbia blue as far as I know. I understand calling them location xyz for your reasons. The post I responded to was about what they were going to be named and so forth. Genetically they are the same species from what I know. Like you stated it is speculated that the different variations of species of many fish is due to different environmental conditions. I am no expert by any means but from what I know they are Columbian Blue and a different strain then what is in the hobby. For the hobby species are often referred by there country of origin.......not each colleting point in that country right? Sounds like you have seen and found some great strains from your collecting in Columbia and it's cool that you are trying to bring in some new strains of Umbee into the hobby. People like you keep thing interesting for the rest of us. For all I know I miss understood the posters question I respond to. Are the green and Blues genetically different? Thanks for the info and the Dovii are being Dovii thanks for asking. This is all just my 2 cents......I am no expert and I would appreciate you correcting anything I have said UMBEEKING. Thanks, FWP sorry for turning this thread into something else but I'm sure your cool with it.
Again great job Jason, I never get tired of watching these umbee's. Please keep posting updates.
Well said Umbeeking and nobodys calling anyone out in this thread, just seems like a like mis-communication. No sweat guys
there is so much to learn in this hobby from books, hobbiests, expirience, and personal collecting. to me its like anything else ive learned that no matter how much one knows there is always more to learn
And thank you everyone for commenting and posting on this thread, if anything i hope we can all learn and teach one another about all species not just Umbees
Back to the origin thing, yes alot of species are generally reffered to by its orgin but for guys like me, i like to have it broken down a little more so i have a better idea of what im keeping. All umbees are beautiful as the rest of the cichlid world and as for the X,Y,Z thing i like to focus on certain collection points that imo may look better for whatever reason than others. And i dont know for sure but i do believe that the greens are minutely genetically different than the blues, and the only thing i am goin off of is that the greens breed greens reguardless of environment
I didnt expect this thread to turn out like it is but im liking it. so if there's any other guys that would like to add any info on the subjects please do... but nicely thank you
there is so much to learn in this hobby from books, hobbiests, expirience, and personal collecting. to me its like anything else ive learned that no matter how much one knows there is always more to learnAnd thank you everyone for commenting and posting on this thread, if anything i hope we can all learn and teach one another about all species not just Umbees
Back to the origin thing, yes alot of species are generally reffered to by its orgin but for guys like me, i like to have it broken down a little more so i have a better idea of what im keeping. All umbees are beautiful as the rest of the cichlid world and as for the X,Y,Z thing i like to focus on certain collection points that imo may look better for whatever reason than others. And i dont know for sure but i do believe that the greens are minutely genetically different than the blues, and the only thing i am goin off of is that the greens breed greens reguardless of environment
I didnt expect this thread to turn out like it is but im liking it. so if there's any other guys that would like to add any info on the subjects please do... but nicely
thank you
danny2875;5097878; said:
Yes there is
but the info for them will posted by Umbeeking when he is readyAnubisscott;5097938; said:God I never get tired of seeing your Umbie's. Look at those speckles and color.
thank you very much
its a good feeling to know others like my fish too.
danny2875;5096948; said:
Yes. I have collected two different strains of this color variant. However I am currently working with one out of the two. Stay tuned.
NWatson;5097053; said:
Sorry for the late response, computer problems. Yes they are Colombian Blues and whatever locations we cross( Location X with Location Z or Location Z with Rio Magdalena) will still make Colombian Blue Umbees. Same species just different populations in different rivers. As for the hobby you stated species are often referred by the country of orgin, This is somewhat true but not entirely. In the hobby Fish are sold by there collecting points or "River of Origin." For example Rio Copan Motaguense, Rio Blanco Motaguense, Rio Heredia Dovi or Lake Arenal Dovi etc. Same species from two different collecting points and colors may vary. This helps the customers to Identify which strain or variant of that particualr species they like and can help the suppiler with sales. You also asked if the Green and Blue Umbriferum are genetically different. If you are referring to Panama Green Umbriferum I believe that it is a sub species and not a color variant of Caquetaia Umbriferum, But I am no geneticist and will leave that up to the scientist to make that call. There is a green color variant of Colombian Umbriferum that does exsist. Also a population of BLACK UMBRIFERUM that is green when small but as the fish matures turns black. I hope this helps brotha and thank you again. UMBEEKING
