You ALL lied to me!! This isn't Easy!

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daveydoodle

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Everyone told me that upgrading to a larger tank would be easy; filtration, better water quality, growth and well being of the fish themselves.....well, you all lied!
Obviously I had the error part of my trial and error today in setting up my new 150 gallon. It would probably be easier to explain with pictures, but typing this all out and hitting the keyboard as hard as I can with my fingers kills two birds with one stone!! (Anger Management)
My set-up is; 150 gallon tank, with (2) 600 gph HOB overflow boxes spread apart. They each have a 1" drain- I used 2" corrugated flexi-pipe running down to the 40 gallon sump tank. They each drain into a 2" PVC tube with filter socks attached. Water runs through the baffles in the sump to the return pump chamber where a Danner Supreme 1800 gph return pump pumps the water back through a 1" clear, flexible tubing. There's 5' head height, which the manufacturer says this pump will yield 1190 gph at this height. (Should be an almost perfect match) Right now, there's no special return, I just have it coming out the 1" tubing. So I primed the U-tubes in each overflow box to start the siphon and water began running down into the sump. The sump was already about half full, so I powered up the return pump and it quickly drains the sump and overfills the tank way too fast. So, naturally, I turn off the return pump for a minute, but forget about the reverse siphon that the return pump has created and in a few seconds hear water flooding the floor. I of course think, oh ****, the main tank has a leak or has cracked somewhere. I finally figure out it's the sump and I grab an additional hose laying nearby so I siphon out a bunch of water into the yard.
Now that I've broken several keys on my keyboard, the question(s);

1) Will a ball valve on the 1" return line be able to slow down the return pump to better match the overflow boxes?
2) Would hard line plumbing be better as I need to create more drag/friction to slow water return?
3) Would putting a directional return head in the tank create enough pressure to slow the return line?
4) Would drilling bulkheads in the tank itself just be easier?
5) Is a 40 gallon sump big enough for this tank?
6) Anybody want a free tank and stand? Very few bullet holes in it! :cry:

What am I doing wrong?
 
first off not being a duch or anything bbut take a deeep breath lol. what i wuld do is get a check valve for the return and try geting a smaller return pump or smaller tubing not sure the tubing will help im sorry about the over flow probllem imo they are nuthing but a problem as for size of the over flow try uping it that might help ive only had one for a few days on a 110 and gave up on it same problem ur having. and to be clear dont want you being mad at me so im not calling you a duch just sayen im not tryen to sound like on and good luck hopfuly some one else can be of more help with this.duster 1971
 
who said it was easy? I never thought it was, I always thought fish care was a good challenge that kept me busy and was fun doing
 
and hard line pluming is smoth so imo your courigated flex line is more restictive but you culd try a reducer but def get the checkvalve instaled on that return and ive got a spare keybord if ya need one lol ive been here befor
 
Wow sounds frustrating you've got the right idea, ball valve or a slower pump. If it makes you feel better I've got a 98 open rimless tank that's in my room and I once for got I was refilling it. Luckly my son saw it as it overflowed quietly on my carpet.:nilly:
 
Hmm my mag 18 handles my 2 1 inch drains easy. My set up is pretty much the same but I have a 210 with built in overflows. A ball valve would be good or get a mag 12?
 
Just FYI, I'm not really mad at anyone (just me). I'm just frustrated; thank GOD I tested this out in the garage first. Otherwise I'd be a skinned throw rug at my wife's feet. I was about ready to shoot it but then I could hear my Arrowana and Clown Knife upstairs saying "bigger tank please"!!
 
Yeah, I got the pump online for a screaming deal, so I'm gonna try and slow the return I think. If the boxes truly are 600 gph and I have 2 running, then 1190 gph on the return pump shouldn't be excessive. Maybe as simple as a ball valve. Of course, if I said how long it took me to figure out that I couldn't create the siphon in the U-tubes until both ends were under water.....I'd be kicked off MFK and have a lifetime membership at Gold Fish Cracker Keepers.com!
 
daveydoodle;3998517; said:
6) Anybody want a free tank and stand? Very few bullet holes in it!

How much for shipping to MA? LOL


J/K . Sounds like you've got the right ideas on how to get things working. Good Luck!

And if it still doesn't work out......

How much for shipping to MA? :ROFL:
 
One thing you can also do is lower the small box of the overflow box, the one with cut grid inside the tank. The lower the box, the faster the water will drain
 
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