Another dog biting story

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When you hug a dog, you are restricting their movement; a fearful dog will respond with a fight or flight response. Since this dogs mobility had been taken away, its only other response would be fight.....
 
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Hence why I said it should require a license to own a dog. You are right, most people get them for their children as a pet but have no clue how to properly train them. This is what I mean by the issue with most dog incidents lies with the owner and not the dog itself. Most dogs don't get the training they need to be a pet.

I am not saying I don't agree with some dogs needing to be put down either, though it might come across that way. Unprovoked attacks definitely warrant that. Where we disagree is our definition of "unwarranted attack" and the fact that if a dog bites, it will always be a bitter.

This is a video of what I consider an unwarrented attack and fully agreed that this dog was put down:


The once a bitter, always a bitter idea though doesn't hold water with proper training. There are many dogs that have been adopted after being left at a shelter that never bite again, when they get proper training. This leads us to the comments above that most people don't understand what proper training in. Again, this is a strike against the owners rather than a dog though. I've owned a dog that was labeled as a bitter before, and after proper training never again bite anyone. So to me, that reasoning doesn't hold water.
 
I don't believe the life of a dog should be put down based on the people being stupid. Nor do I think people should have special privileges above other animals, especially with how cruel humans typically are. Dogs are far more trustworthy than anyone I would meet on the street in this day and age.

Yes, I've seen that kind of hugging before and if it had happened in my house with my dog, I would blame myself. This was in a shelter. Dogs in shelters are not in a good place. They are scared and nervous. The same behavior a well trained dog would endure in a home is not the same type of behavior they will accept in a strange place with strange people when they are scared. If you don't know and acknowledge the difference, then you shouldn't own a dog (as the child's parents clearly shouldn't ... ever).

An example: Last night someone came into our store with their dog. This is a very calm dog that I have petted many times before. However, when I closed the metal gates to close up the store, the dog didn't like the loud noise at all. He was shaking, put himself in front of his owner, and flattened his ears. Despite wagging his tail, those danger signs meant I would not try to reach down and pet him at that time. That could possible provoke a reaction. And it would be fully justified in my experience. If I had done that and got bit, I certainly wouldn't have blamed the dog. It would have been my own damn fault for not paying attention to the warning signs.

I'm not going to try to hug a mugger threatening me with a knife, I'm sure as heck not going to try and pet a dog showing warning signs to stay away.

Hello; Again a post where people are expected to be know some dog rules. Implying that people are "stupid" if they happen to not know the rules. You are likely aware that many people do not keep and have never kept dogs. You that keep dogs need to keep in mind that a lot of folks do not know the various rules.
 
When you hug a dog, you are restricting their movement; a fearful dog will respond with a fight or flight response. Since this dogs mobility had been taken away, its only other response would be fight.....

Hello; I follow and understand your post. How would i get this across to a two year old child? Yeah, no way. I know this is where parental supervision is supposed to step in. Not all parents know this stuff. Kids get out of a parents reach at the best you can do.
 
Just like anything, you should learn before you go. As a kid, my dad required me to two dog books and even attend training classes before even considering a dog. Most parents read baby books before having a child, it's the smart thing to do. Same goes for dogs.

Ignorance is not a defense in this day and age when information is so easily found with minimal effort and little to no cost.
 
That is a problem. If the parents aren't experienced dog handlers, how would they ever be able to instill that in their children?


Hello; I follow and understand your post. How would i get this across to a two year old child? Yeah, no way. I know this is where parental supervision is supposed to step in. Not all parents know this stuff. Kids get out of a parents reach at the best you can do.
 
I'm just saying, it's a big no-no in the dog training world to a hug a unfamiliar dog and most dogs do not react well to it, for the reasons I stated in my previous post. I'm not taking fault completely off the animal but I think all parties were equally at fault in this situation.(really hard to make a firm conclusion as details are so sketchy at best)
 
Just like anything, you should learn before you go. As a kid, my dad required me to two dog books and even attend training classes before even considering a dog. Most parents read baby books before having a child, it's the smart thing to do. Same goes for dogs.

Ignorance is not a defense in this day and age when information is so easily found with minimal effort and little to no cost.

Hello; I hope you are mistaken about this. It is not the rest of us who have to be aware about how to deal with your dogs as your post implies. I had seen the video of the cat chasing a dog away from the area of the child and I think even you agree that dog should be put down.

I get that some look at their dogs and project the feeling out to all dogs. The notion that all people have to be versed in dog lore does not pass the smell test. While the notion that anyone wanting to own a dog should have the necessary knowledge does make sense, I see very little evidence of such around me. I will be very suprised if such a requirement for dog ownership ever becomes law.

Based on threads like this one and other conversations, there are some people who never want a dog put down no matter what the dog has done.

There are others who find a very limited set of circumstances for when a dog should be put down.

There are those, including myself, who find a limited set of circumstances where a dog bite is acceptable and feel the majority of the instances should lead to the dog being put down.
 
my dogs are alert systems and deterrent for burglars. my old and long gone 105 pound lab was still an alert system and deterrent. she never bit any one and would not have, but she she put out that she would. just like my weenie dogs do these days.

for defense and protection from bodily harm from said burglar, I have a glock. just let me know he is there boy. I take it from there. i do not want my dogs biting any one, including an intruder.
 
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