75g Looking to start African Tank

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It is very symmetric. What if you try what Stephen St.Clair Stephen St.Clair said but put 2 together at the bottom?
It is symmetric, I try to keep things looking orderly and presentable, because of the sheer footprint of the fish presence in our basement.

I’ll grab a few more of these and see what I can do...

I may end up splitting this tank in two and moving 1/2 to a different 75 that would need sand / caves still

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It seems after reading splitting the two species may be worse, it seems “over stocking” may lead to less aggression, there are two groups 11/12 hopefully this qualifies as over stocked...

I’ve seen maybe one Lutea male, maybe 3 Piebold males... they are still 1”-2”

I’ve got a little ammo currently, I was pretty heavy in the feeding first two weeks as I was pretty anxious to see colors.
 

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I am a little late to the party but I personally use these rocks. They are fake and hollow but provide a ton of hiding spots for cichlids. Made by underwater galleries personally I think they are more natural looking than the round ones with huge openings. I hide the entrances by facing that side towards the back. All of the rocks in the picture are fake.

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I am a little late to the party but I personally use these rocks. They are fake and hollow but provide a ton of hiding spots for cichlids. Made by underwater galleries personally I think they are more natural looking than the round ones with huge openings. I hide the entrances by facing that side towards the back. All of the rocks in the picture are fake.

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Good tip!

I’ll look into those, got a few of the PetSmart fake rock caves for the qt tank. Wish the actual holey rock wasn’t soo expensive...

I’m gonna hold off on setting up the second tank for now.
 

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I find all of my rocks for my African tanks in creek beds during the summer. Any kind of slate or inert rocks will be fine. If you want to test it but the rock in a bucket of water for a few days then test the ph, if its below 8.0 or equall to your tap ph it should be good to go.



Also some pointers that haven't been covered for your future of cichlids.

IMO dont buy any kind of "mixed cichlids". Big brand store often buys from breeders who give fish tons of hormones so they will loose color after you bring them home and die younger than ones without hormones.

In terms of online breeders I've had good experience with Imperial tropicals, snake river cichlids and Quinn's find but it dosnt mean there arnt many other good breeders out there. Check there websites and decide what you like.

You can go all Male or a female mix. Just go 3 females to one male. Sounds like your going 4f to 1m which is on the safer side.


Keep your pH above 7.5 using baking soda. My mix for my water is 1 teaspoon of baking soda, 1teaspoon of weapons salt, 1 teaspoon of pickling salt per 5 gal. Your baking soda amounts will vary depending on your tap water. My tap is 7.0 and soft.


I attached pictures of my tanks, I only have peacocks and haps but I keep some syndontis in every tank for cleanup and they have a good personality. Also bristlenose will help keep your tank algea free so you you should be set for cleanup. My syndos are are super overweight but they keep the tank spotless.

If you want to overstock your tank I made a thread about a nitrate reactor. You should be able to find it in the filters section.

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I find all of my rocks for my African tanks in creek beds during the summer. Any kind of slate or inert rocks will be fine. If you want to test it but the rock in a bucket of water for a few days then test the ph, if its below 8.0 or equall to your tap ph it should be good to go.



Also some pointers that haven't been covered for your future of cichlids.

IMO dont buy any kind of "mixed cichlids". Big brand store often buys from breeders who give fish tons of hormones so they will loose color after you bring them home and die younger than ones without hormones.

In terms of online breeders I've had good experience with Imperial tropicals, snake river cichlids and Quinn's find but it dosnt mean there arnt many other good breeders out there. Check there websites and decide what you like.

You can go all Male or a female mix. Just go 3 females to one male. Sounds like your going 4f to 1m which is on the safer side.


Keep your pH above 7.5 using baking soda. My mix for my water is 1 teaspoon of baking soda, 1teaspoon of weapons salt, 1 teaspoon of pickling salt per 5 gal. Your baking soda amounts will vary depending on your tap water. My tap is 7.0 and soft.


I attached pictures of my tanks, I only have peacocks and haps but I keep some syndontis in every tank for cleanup and they have a good personality. Also bristlenose will help keep your tank algea free so you you should be set for cleanup. My syndos are are super overweight but they keep the tank spotless.

If you want to overstock your tank I made a thread about a nitrate reactor. You should be able to find it in the filters section.

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Thanks for all the great info! I’m going to look at your nitrate reactor.

I’ve had a little ammo, and low nitrate. Need more BB.

I got 12 red fin Piebold / 12 lutea makobe from Dave, very professional interaction!

4 syno / 4 Bristlenose
 

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Your numbers are good. If you have multiple males they may not color, did you get unsexed juveniles?

The lutea have a reputation for being highly aggressive, I have not kept them. Are they the ones giving you trouble?

Give them a couple of months to show color (after you remove extra males). Feeding extra will not bring color faster, and ammonia in your water will delay the color. If you cycled with ammonia before stocking you should have plenty of BB. I would add rocks but those are hollow so you have like six territories when it would be better if you had a dozen patches on the substrate sectioned off for the 2 males and then 2 dozen nooks and crannies in rock piles above for the females to hide and escape the chasing males.
 

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Your numbers are good. If you have multiple males they may not color, did you get unsexed juveniles?

The lutea have a reputation for being highly aggressive, I have not kept them. Are they the ones giving you trouble?

Give them a couple of months to show color (after you remove extra males). Feeding extra will not bring color faster, and ammonia in your water will delay the color. If you cycled with ammonia before stocking you should have plenty of BB. I would add rocks but those are hollow so you have like six territories when it would be better if you had a dozen patches on the substrate sectioned off for the 2 males and then 2 dozen nooks and crannies in rock piles above for the females to hide and escape the chasing males.
I believe they are unsexed, it was supposed to be 8-10 f / 2-4m of ea species.

The Redfin Piebold are wild, they have grow to twice the size of the lutea. One Piebold male jumped out the back, 1-3, of the Redfin Piebold are in charge and run the other fish around.

I’m not super impressed with this Petco holey rock, bought it off the web without reading fine print. I’m committed though now, have $150 or so into it...

I’m gonna look at pics to make more territories.

What does a “ dozen patches on the substrate mean” ?

Like pieces of slate down?
 
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