All gars banned in Singapore.

[AU_Arowana-RG]

You're obviously not reading enough sir. I've said my part about the issue, given my own opinions and at the same time shooting down the AVA's decision to ban these marvelous fishes. So you tell me

Au contraire! I have been reading your comments. They're informative, but your opinions of "You have to see it from the government's point of view" seem far more obvious than your mentioning of the potential reasoning behind the ban.

Whilst its always good to place things in perspective, its not going to justify that the decision of the AVA was sudden, rash, and totally unexplained. Kind of like a child getting bit by a rat and proclaiming that all rats are bad and he/she hates them, so they should all stop existing.

Regardless, this development has me rethinking possible plans I have in the future, though. I did have ideas of doing import/export of fish as a business and hopefully gaining a contact/supply from Singapore, but the banning has gotten me into reevaluating what I may do. Just some introspection.

Also, this also gets me wondering about the stuff happening in your government now. First Lee Kuan Yuw gets ousted and now I also hear that the Opposition party has more seats in parliament than they used to. Heck, it's even yet to be seen on the actual details of this, so there may be a hope that this is just a temporary decision?

Don't know. I just know that I visited Sing last week and read on this news, as well as heard about it from the locals.

 

[xander]

no. i will not be doing anything unless/until some form of official paperwork is out.

however, just for gossip sake, imo it might have to do with GE or the govt's plans for using a lot of our current waterways in the near future as hotspots for watersports and family outings. the fact that river monsters aired recently too must be coincidence (heavy sacarsm... haha)

 

[pharmaecopia]

This don't make sense at least make them tagged like Aros
Or even a partial ban to the cheaper species like the Floridas and Gators

The trouble with a partial ban is that most people can't tell the species apart to begin with.

 

[elindra]

no. i will not be doing anything unless/until some form of official paperwork is out.

however, just for gossip sake, imo it might have to do with GE or the govt's plans for using a lot of our current waterways in the near future as hotspots for watersports and family outings. the fact that river monsters aired recently too must be coincidence (heavy sacarsm... haha)

TBH with the little monsters running around these days (parents these days really don't discipline their kids), I'll be more than happy to see one of those screaming monsters chomped up by an Alligator Gar or GATF -_-"

 

[elindra]

The trouble with a partial ban is that most people can't tell the species apart to begin with.

I forgot to add that they should also allow fishes of a certain min size to be sold
A lot of ppl buy Gator gars coz they look small and cute without realizing what monsters they will turn out to be.

Well, with large enough fines you will find that ppl are great at IDing

 

[E_americanus]

You don't need to wait for the fishes to attack someone before you decide to ban it. The very fact that they are in our waters is proof that they have been released by inconsiderate hobbyists and that they pose a threat to someone who might(for whatever reason) be in the same body of water as these fishes. I highly doubt it is about the ecosystem at the moment, it's about the threat these fishes pose, no matter how minute it may be. Comparing Cichlids and Gars, it's pretty obvious which is more deadly. The AVA doesn't want any complains because it is just like our government to ban everything to avoid future problems. It's their "End of Story" way to doing things. Banned, EOS you peasants.

will comment with more lately, but...seriously?

i understand you are against the governmental ban on these fish, but your supposed logic for their doing it doesn't make any sense. gars being deadly? being concerned as a parent??? there are plenty of other fishes and other dangers out there that pose greater threats to kids. there has not been an officially documented case of a gator gar attack on a human no matter what river monsters showed (and even they said it was probably an actual alligator).

that's great that you disagree, but your attempt at logically explaining the govt's move does not make any sense. ecosystem threats make much more sense. trust me, no parents are concerned with their kids being attacked by gars here in the US.--
--solomon

 

[stackdeck]

Sigh...really , if they tell us they are banning these fish because they are dangerous it is absolute rubbish. Also an interesting bit of info , NUS with the permission of PUB conducted a survey from (December 2006- September 2009) in which they only recorded A single Atractosteus spatula-'' An individual of 1200mm SL was caught at the Bedok reservoir , and may represent an isolated discard of an aquarium fish''. Well from this I can presume the population in our reservoir is not overwhelming and (imo) with education to the public not to dump non-native species , the impending ban is uncalled for.

Reference- AN ANNOTATED CHECKLIST OF THE NON-NATIVE FRESHWATER FISH SPECIES IN THE RESERVOIRS OF SINGAPORE by NG.H.H & TAN H.H

As a hobbyist I sincerely hope something is done about the ban.

 

[AU_Arowana-RG]

Education over childish banning. Pure and simple. There's no justifying sudden, unexplained sweeping decisions. Just like this one.

 

[Cheesetian]

Au contraire! I have been reading your comments. They're informative, but your opinions of "You have to see it from the government's point of view" seem far more obvious than your mentioning of the potential reasoning behind the ban.

Whilst its always good to place things in perspective, its not going to justify that the decision of the AVA was sudden, rash, and totally unexplained. Kind of like a child getting bit by a rat and proclaiming that all rats are bad and he/she hates them, so they should all stop existing.

Regardless, this development has me rethinking possible plans I have in the future, though. I did have ideas of doing import/export of fish as a business and hopefully gaining a contact/supply from Singapore, but the banning has gotten me into reevaluating what I may do. Just some introspection.

Also, this also gets me wondering about the stuff happening in your government now. First Lee Kuan Yuw gets ousted and now I also hear that the Opposition party has more seats in parliament than they used to. Heck, it's even yet to be seen on the actual details of this, so there may be a hope that this is just a temporary decision?

Don't know. I just know that I visited Sing last week and read on this news, as well as heard about it from the locals.

Everything's meant to be read, and was written, with a tinge of sarcasm! Of course i don't support this because then we'd be as good as the United States with bans on different species of fishes in different states! And if you think about it, all this hoohah has been pretty sudden because one week there was a sudden influx of Gars that have otherwise been pretty rare here and the next there's talk about a ban on these toothy fishes. I don't think it's got anything to do with politics though, that's a whole different ball game.

TBH with the little monsters running around these days (parents these days really don't discipline their kids), I'll be more than happy to see one of those screaming monsters chomped up by an Alligator Gar or GATF -_-"

Sadistic, but hilarious nonetheless Elindra!

will comment with more lately, but...seriously?

i understand you are against the governmental ban on these fish, but your supposed logic for their doing it doesn't make any sense. gars being deadly? being concerned as a parent??? there are plenty of other fishes and other dangers out there that pose greater threats to kids. there has not been an officially documented case of a gator gar attack on a human no matter what river monsters showed (and even they said it was probably an actual alligator).

that's great that you disagree, but your attempt at logically explaining the govt's move does not make any sense. ecosystem threats make much more sense. trust me, no parents are concerned with their kids being attacked by gars here in the US.--
--solomon

I know you're the authority on Gars here and you can state such statistics but from AVA's point of view, would you want to take the risk, however small it may be, of someone being bitten by one of these runaway fishes and receiving complaints about how you're not keeping the waters safe? I haven't even thought for once about any of this being linked to the airing of River Monsters. Animals are unpredictable, that's a fact. After saying all this, i'm not trying to justify the AVA's decision(if it is true) to ban these marvelous giants. I'm just saying that it's just like our country to shut us up cos' they're the "boss" and there's nothing we can do cos' to them a decree is a decree rather than give us the freedom and risk the embarrassment of receiving complaints and having to go the extra mile to do something about it in the future. It's not the fact that people say their harmless, it's that these fishes get big and they have huge teeth. That's why our AVA is doing this to us.

They're banning these fishes because they can. They'd rather shut us all up because they know we can't do **** rather than trying to educate the masses. Pathetic.

 

[AU_Arowana-RG]

I think politics does have a part to play when it sort of relates to who is in the government position or not.

And regardless of what you're saying, none of this is going to get us to shut up. Whether or not the AVA pushes through with this decision.

And well, your statement also reflects the same mindset held with majority of the ignorant people. But I digress, I don't give a **** about the AVA's stance. Really, it's just another STD (Stupid Government Decision).