Am i out of line, please educate me???

[pelleeklund]

Whether you call people out on it is up to you, just understand that it changes nothing. If somebody wants the fish bad enough to acquire it they probably aren't looking for your approval. But if it's therapeutic for you to act as though your opinion has any effect on protecting the fish youve decided to champion, by all means continue being intentionally abrasive. My fish remains in my tank regardless of you or anyones opinion of it's suitability. My question, is this whole thread dedicated to your love of negative attention or protecting animals you deem to be unsuitable for home aquariums. What does telling me your opinion do to change my mind if I disagree on the severity of the issue? When do the fish get saved? Maybe you could get involved with customs and work on stricter enforcements for imports, that would actually give you a productive way to help stop the problem more effectively. I'm not trying to give you unnecessary trouble here, your passionate and that's great, just understand that right and wrong are different for you and me. The only way I won't purchase a fish I want is if I can't.

 

[golcondorus]

the thread is bassically about the ability of the fishkeeper to keep truely giant fish, and opinions about whether it is even possible or ethical, i just wanted to know what people think about it

 

[Oddball]

the reason i dont answer some of the actual questions in the threads is that the answer was already given multiple times by many other people, so, i mention something else,

FYI, that type of post is called a Derail and is not allowed on the site (per the TOS agreed to upon joining the site). If a post can't be aligned to the threads subject matter then, refrain from posting. Start your own thread instead of hijacking someone elses.

 

[bomber]

 

[pupumole]

i dont really know whats going on but i sense a lil flaming going on ._. I believe that the op has a good intention and that hes just trying to care for the well being of monster fishes , which we all should. these type of discussion tends to falls down to a discussion between ethics/moral vs. norm/reality. And norm/reality tends to overpower n overthrows what the op's original intention is (which in this case is, just caring for fishes well being, which is a good direction to go at , which should be supported instead of being flamed upon)

 

[Cecropia]

If certain fish could only be purchased by people with adequate setups, the industry itself would take a pretty big hit.

Ex. How many people can adequately house a GATF? Someone mentioned 4 people here. What would happen if the demand was equal to the people who could house such a fish? Importers wouldn't bother importing any fish that only 4 out of a few hundred thousand people would buy.

 

[aquaculture]

Golcondorus I feel sorry for you you posted this thread and it bit yah in the ass, which sucks.

People get the fish they want no mather the cosequences, mainly due to most of the consequences just being barred upon by their fish.

Fish taste great and are just as good as loved and honored pets, but what sucks is we can only keep them in numerous sized boxes or rounds, due to them living in another element.

 

[Sab_Fan]

somewhere along the way, we lost sight of the fact that there are some people who keep fish in poor conditions and don't realize it.

I'm not talking about the guy who keeps a fish in a tank that is too small, but knows that and has made his peace with it. a really good fishkeeper can keep a fish alive and healthy for a long time in less than ideal conditions; fine.

but there are also people who think it's perfectly fine to keep an Oscar in a 20G, or maybe a large catfish in a 55G, and don't know that the tank is woefully inadequate.

now, if you tell someone their tank is too small and they tell you to "get lost" (or something), well, whaddya gonna do? you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink

as far as any "Petsmart sells them, so it can't be wrong" arguments, I think that's weak . . . they don't care about the fish, just the sale, so they cannot be used as any kind of standard for what is right in fish-keeping

and to the OP, say whatever you want . . . but, from the sound of things, maybe you just need to be more tactful in your posting . . .

 

[krichardson]

What you think you will accomplish by "calling people out" I don't know but it is starting to seem as if you just want attention or to make a name for your self on this forum.I dont care if you keep one minnow in 300 gallon tank,it still does not compare to being free in the wild so while you are calling out others you might want to start in house,come down off your high horse and shut down all of the undersized tanks that you said that you have and get out of this hobby.You can talk all day about how you disagree with how someone else keeps their fish but unless you are willing to give up what you keep then you are a hypocrite in this little crusade of yours. Maybe I'm the only one that's noticed but this thread is the same as the previous one you started,just worded differently.You made your point already so why did you feel the need to start another thread with the same subject?

 

[Satan's Goldfish]

In an ideal world i think everyone on this site would want to have a 50,000gal tank and be able to house the biggest fish they could in the most natural looking environment and no fish would ever be in a tank too small. We are 'Monster Fish Keepers' at the end of the day and i don't know about anyone else but i'd certainly like the space and cash for 50,000gal and to keep alligator gar, wels cats, gatf, etc, but until that happens i'll just have to do the best i can with what i've got and can afford.

People are fascinated with the unusual, and a monster fish lurking in your livingroom tank rather than a shoal of guppys is always going to have appeal so people will buy them. Some will have the good intention of getting their new pet a larger aquarium when it grows up but for various reasons may be unable to. Some will buy, then find this site and realise how big their fish will actually grow but still want to keep their new pet (sorry, you've now discovered mfk, so you must return your Oscar and pacu that're full of character and reacts to you being near the tank and hand feeds simply because you bought a tank that's a few gallons short of ideal.) Some may try to return that fish to an lfs or public aquarium only to be told 'no room' so the fish ends up back in a tank too small for it. Next time you're in an lfs with (for example) a 3' rtc in a display tank next to a tank with smaller fish in (guppies, neons, etc) just look at the ratio of people looking at the big fish to the small ones. The big rtc is what everyone would really like.

Unfortunately this is not an ideal fish keeping world, accept it. People in general are greedy and power hungry. The lfs will sell for profit, man will buy to show it's dominance over a lesser being. And that's all of us here including the op. If you don't like it then why are you keeping fish? In reality only the natural wild environment it's from is the right size tank for a fish.

And in answer to the threads original question, yes you look like an ass. As has been said, use tact in informing people that their fish will get bigger than YOU think they can handle and you won't look so much of an ass. And smile