any smokers on here?
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I didn't think smoking would be completely harmless... thanks!
and what is vaporized tobacco? EC's? I sniffed one once and got light headed for like 10 mins. It was cool! And then I got a migraine and it sucked...
and what is vaporized tobacco? EC's? I sniffed one once and got light headed for like 10 mins. It was cool! And then I got a migraine and it sucked...
Kind of. The pipe tobacco is usually naturally flavored with vanillas etc but more often just a blend of Virginia tobacco and burly. It doesn't have all the cig chems. Just like if you grew and dried your own. But anything that burns creates toxic gases and carcinogenic chemicals, which can be absorbed more through the lungs and nasal cavities. That's why pipe/cigar smokers don't get lung cancer but can get mouth cancer. Cancer is really a broad name for over 200 diseases that have the same affect. I for one believe one can be more susceptible to cancer through genetics, virus exposure and immune system. There are people like Dana Reeves who never smoked and died of lung cancer very fast and then old coots who smoked til they are in there 90's. Who knows what's going on. I tend to think lung smokers are just asking for it but I personally know dead smokers and old smokers. One thing for sure is even if you evade cancer, you stink, look like a catcher's mitt and sound scary. Plus all the other non-cancer ailments like high blood pressure etc.
If you have to lung smoke, I'd say roll your own is about 10% safer. Maybe more, but the frequency is the variable.
Smokers switching to roll your own has become so popular recently that my state of New York is trying to crack down on sale of pipe tobacco (sure, ruin it for us pipe club guys) and push up the tax to cig levels, make flavored tobacco (your grandpa's cherry and vanilla) illegal to sell and pushing the suppliers outta business. Fortunately, those props failed. They missed the point, as legislators usually do, and targeted all pipe tobacco, even the locally made house blends sold outta jars, because cig smokers were buying those big vacsealed bags of pipe tobacco you see behind the counters at smoke shops. Pipe smokers don't actually buy those bulk bags of mulch. They are almost purposely sold for roll your own consumers and labelled "Pipe" to avoid the cig regs and taxes. They are not pipe cut, flavor or moisture. But the laws that would stop this loophole would be a broad swipe at all actual pipe tobacco too. So the local blender would have to take down his jars of grandpa's cherry tobacco.
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@ aclockworkorange: lol, right?
@TheRealCramer: Thank you for your explanation. I did not know that the stuff in the bag wasn't legit pipe tobacco. That's what he gets. But now I'm curious about several things: (1) Why don't the big boys use this "safer" tobacco since its so much cheaper for the roll-your-own guys? Its gotta be cheap for them too... and (2) can one get legit pipe tobacco and make roll-your-own cigs out of it? What's the difference between the two? I know you mentioned cut, flavor, and moisture. Can you elaborate on that point?
@TheRealCramer: Thank you for your explanation. I did not know that the stuff in the bag wasn't legit pipe tobacco. That's what he gets. But now I'm curious about several things: (1) Why don't the big boys use this "safer" tobacco since its so much cheaper for the roll-your-own guys? Its gotta be cheap for them too... and (2) can one get legit pipe tobacco and make roll-your-own cigs out of it? What's the difference between the two? I know you mentioned cut, flavor, and moisture. Can you elaborate on that point?
Rolling your own is cheaper for the consumer because you skip the middle man. It's like buying meat straight from the guy who killed the cow and cutting it yourself instead of paying for a butcher to do it. For the big companies, it would be more expensive to use the good tobacco because of the sheer quantities and the work of rolling them is more expensive. They use the terrible chemicals as fillers, cheaper chemicals (often waste) used to fill space in the cigarette. Also, they put some chemicals in to increase the addictiveness to ensure repeat business.
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Not to make light of the topic but I didn't realize this was a tobacco related topic, 
On more serious note my mom and dad both smoked my whole life and at one point my dad quit but my mom couldn't and eventually it got him back into the habit. About two years ago he quit again and hasn't touched a cigarette to date and even jokingly talks crap to his buddies who still smoke. My dad and I haven't been particularly close in my life but this is one thing that really caught my attention and made me admire a lot more. I agree you should quit for yourself but know that it can make a huge difference in many other people's lives as well as your own.
On more serious note my mom and dad both smoked my whole life and at one point my dad quit but my mom couldn't and eventually it got him back into the habit. About two years ago he quit again and hasn't touched a cigarette to date and even jokingly talks crap to his buddies who still smoke. My dad and I haven't been particularly close in my life but this is one thing that really caught my attention and made me admire a lot more. I agree you should quit for yourself but know that it can make a huge difference in many other people's lives as well as your own.
I think legit pipe tobacco isn't used in cigs by consumers because the cuts are longer (ribbon cut, some inch or longer) and higher moisture content. Once lit and billowed, all the moisture bubbles out of the burning leaf timber the same way if you've ever thrown a wet stick in a fire and watched the hissing bubbles on the bark. I'm sure that would render the cig paper soggy and put it out. Some pipes use paper filters (I use on hot, humid days) to collect the moisture and they are soggy and gross after one bowl.
The reason the big cig companies don't use clean tobacco is probably cost and potency. The premium whole leaf is sold first to cigar manufacturers, the broken whole leafs are used for pipe and cigars and the shag is used for cigars and cigarettes.
Now, I'm not 100% sure, but from what I've read, cigs are pumped with menthol, sugars and fermented in a way that makes more nicotine. A non. Smoker can smoke a pipe and not feel lightheaded or sick. That's because there is very little nicotine absorbed. That's also why I've been smoking cigars and pipes for over ten years and I have no addiction. If I'm busy or on vacation I have no craving and can go a week without smoking. Although not having a chemical addiction I might pine for a relaxing sit and smoke.
Big cig co have always tried to make the smoking experience "smoother, cooler and fresher" to keep you smoking more. Roll your own is a cowboy cigarette and not for beginners or lady slim users. It's harsh and raw. If a 16 yr old tried his first cig and it was a roll your own it would probably be his last. The cig companies want to get Jr. hooked right away. Just watch the vintage adds targeting women.
I would like to know if your bf notices a difference in nicotine potency in roll your own and his old packs. And his opinion on a Newport vs roll your own in terms of bite and flavor.
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I have a pack of roll your owns American spirit, I usually make them wacky, but at parties and when drinking I'll smoke a cig, I like the self rolls better then most real cigs(haven't tried many though)
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