Breeding/Hybridizing Sunfish

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Then take THAT fish, and mix it with a warmouth.

Seriously, sooner or later we are going to want to try and mix in a bass of some sort. It probably wont work, but its the end goal.

There is also a pygmy sunfish in the lepomis genus...so that would be even smaller than the bantam I think.
 
I would be very interested in working on this if the goal was colorful, small, aquarium fish. Was already thinking of adding a pair of Dollar's to my cichlid tank. Best for me would be to find some juvies next spring and grow them out in my garden pools.
 
We have pools, we have ponds, we have that 210g conditioning tank...we have environmental chambers and a room of fish tanks.

I can do whatever...might need some help getting my hands on the fish.

Real goal for me is just doing it...creating my own fish so to speak. Obviously the results will be documented and the fish simply kept as aquarium pets.
 
I think i saw a lmbxbluegill hybrid in the wild once. It was a juvenile, with a normal body, but it had bright blue where you would normally see white. It looked pretty cool, if only I took a picture.

My suggestion would be one of these hybrids. I don't know what species was crossed with the green, but it made this guy have a shorter, stubbier body. Looks pretty awesome too!Odd Short Green Sunfish Hybrid.JPG

Odd Short Green Sunfish Hybrid.JPG
 
I would love to see the other...although I think that is almost impossible to happen in the wild.

The above picture looks like a pure cyanellus to me...but I could be wrong.
 
To my knowledge, there is no record of Bantam sunfish hybridizing with other lepomis species. Bantam sunfish may be closely related to Enneacanthus genus (Bluespotted, Blackbanded and Banded Sunfish). Remember I say may, not 100% sure. But to be honest, I do not think Bantam sunfish are that colorful and isn't worth to use Bantam in your hybridization project.

As for Warmouth, they are "distinct" genetically from other lepomis and in the past the warmouth placed Chaenobryttus genus as sole member...today Warmouth are placed in Lepomis group. Ive heard some Lepomis species cross with other Lepomis do produce sterile hybrids (can't remember which species).

But Warmouth hybrids are that colorful. Somewhere I remember that if you use redbreast sunfish cross to longear sunfish, you produced "eartheater" sunfish, looks like an eartheater cichlid.
 
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To my knowledge, there is no record of Bantam sunfish hybridizing with other lepomis species. Bantam sunfish may be closely related to Enneacanthus genus (Bluespotted, Blackbanded and Banded Sunfish). Remember I say may, not 100% sure. But to be honest, I do not think Bantam sunfish are that colorful and isn't worth to use Bantam in your hybridization project.

When I first heard about the species (from my boss) I assumed based on size that they were from the same genus. They are not. We will see, its an idea on the table. They have a fairly neutral color, and so should (in my mind) take other fishes color fairly well, and also help to small them down a bit.

As for Warmouth, they are "distinct" genetically from other lepomis and in the past the warmouth placed Chaenobryttus genus as sole member...today Warmouth are placed in Lepomis group. Ive heard some Lepomis species cross with other Lepomis do produce sterile hybrids (can't remember which species).

Interesting...again...its on the table, and this is a species that would be fairly easy for me to get. (Just as a note here, all fish for this project are going to be PURCHASED...no wild capture. Covering my butt now so that there is no confusion.) We will just have to see if I breed them and try to breed offspring I guess.

But Warmouth hybrids are that colorful. Somewhere I remember that if you use redbreast sunfish cross to longear sunfish, you produced "eartheater" sunfish, looks like an eartheater cichlid.
By eartheater, I assume that you are referring to geophagus(S) genus(S)? Interesting group of fish...I wonder what they meant though, there are a lot of different appearances among the group.

My only purpose with the bantam would be size....agreed about color.

Currently reading this;
www.genetics.org/content/108/1/237.full.pdf

Sounds like man-made "species" are definitely possible.

Refer back to my above post on the the size and color ideas for the bantam.

I am going to have to sit down and read that whole paper...and I will probably end up citing it when I document more of what I am doing.

Fleshy.....what lepomis are you referring to as pygmy? From what I see there are 7 elessoma pygmy's but sure not seeing any lepomis with that name.

Another great link for ID...
http://www.fishbase.org/identification/specieslist.php?famcode=302&areacode=

Just saying pygmy...as in just a very small sunfish. Sorry for the scientific incorrectness...I was referring to symmetricus.

Im using the Peterson Field Guide...buy a copy...my boss did a gorgeous gob on the sunfishes. :D
 
Longear x Redbreast hybrids have their mouths closer to the bottom like Geophagus surinamensis.
 
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