Oh and this. Be sure to read the whole thing.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37245%3C/a%3E
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37245%3C/a%3E
FBI Data Again Shows More Guns = Less Crime
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The FBI crime report does not make any specifics as to why certain types of crimes are down. There is no way to connect lower crime rates to increased gun sales. This is a spin that the NRA is using to support their agenda and I don't have a problem with that, because I get what their doing. What if lower crimes rates are directly related to more policing. What if lower crime rates are associated with higher rates of incarceration, with less criminals on the streets. What if lower crime rates are due to criminals being deterred to commit such crimes due to tougher laws and greater risks of longer sentencing. What if the baptismal rates are up and more people are going to church and raising their sense of morality. I'm not saying any of these examples are true. I'm saying that IF any of them are true, they can be used by various lobby groups to support their agenda. Statistics have to be read with caution, because any group can put a spin on a stat and use it to make a claim. We don't know if more guns mean lower crime rates and we can't prove it. We can believe the stat, but it's the connection between two different stats that can be questioned (1-Lower crime, 2-higher gun sales). Where is the correlation?
If there was a way to ban hand guns and make sure everyone was collected I would.
However I would also give a single shot rifle to every household.
However I would also give a single shot rifle to every household.
^what would that solve? absolutly nothing
DC has already proved a hand gun ban fails
thalan, nice link!!
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DC has already proved a hand gun ban fails
thalan, nice link!!
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Bderick67;4177836; said:Why use a hypothetical example, why not use a actual event. Have a search of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. You really truly believe the death toll of 14 in the account would have been less if more guns were involved.
phillydog1958;4186207; said:
How about this theoretical:
What if all gun ownership is made legal, and the government or NRA starts heavily advertising the fact that MORE people are owning guns. Perhaps simply the PERCEPTION that more people are armed (even if it isn't actually true) would decrease the crime rate? Whereas by banning guns, it appears that fewer people will be armed, thus the PERCEPTION that fewer people are armed would increase the crime rate?
Thalan;4186197; said:
Great article shows exactly what I'm talking about, You can take any information and make it say whatever you would like it to.
and yes I did read the whole article, it only give opinion though and states no fact or links to info that supports this opinion.
Can anyone post info showing how many new gun owners there are, not just how many guns have been sold or background checks have been applied for?
Knowdafish;4187339; said:
Your link is the same story that Thalan posted
so a distinct correlation between a law that allows conceld carry and a decrese in crime isnt evidence for u??
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;4188006; said:
No it does not. Crime rate is down across the board whether it possibly be gun related or not. See Vicious fish's link.
How about this crime rate is base on population. With advances in medicine over the past couple decades people are now living longer then before. This leads to an increase in senior citizen population. Not many criminals in the seniors, yet they are still figured into the crime rate.
So looks to me that the medical field may be the reason for the lower crime rates, this would make more sense because at least it would affect all crime, not just what could be gun related.
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