FBI Data Again Shows More Guns = Less Crime

[mgk]

^what would that solve? absolutly nothing
DC has already proved a hand gun ban fails



thalan, nice link!! :

not true it would improve peoples aim!

 

[Conner]

How about this crime rate is base on population. With advances in medicine over the past couple decades people are now living longer then before. This leads to an increase in senior citizen population. Not many criminals in the seniors, yet they are still figured into the crime rate.

So looks to me that the medical field may be the reason for the lower crime rates, this would make more sense because at least it would affect all crime, not just what could be gun related.

While I could agree to a point (in that crime rate is based on population), the problem with that explanation is that it doesn't take into account the relatively quick (i.e. less than 10 years) decline of the crime rate. It takes decades for the population to increase enough where the senior citizen population would actually affect something like the crime rate.

More likely factors in the increase or reduction of the crime rate are the minimum wage (poverty level), economic crises, wars, etc.

While I think that a reduction in gun ownership restrictions (i.e. more guns available to the law-abiding public) would have some benefit for lowering the crime rate, I don't think it would necessarily lower crime across the board. And it is difficult to show a direct correlation between those two things, because there are so many variables affecting crime rate.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

not true it would improve peoples aim!

this is true!!
iv considerd getting a draco pistol and payin 200 to make it a SBR just for SHTF.

 

[Bderick67]

While I could agree to a point (in that crime rate is based on population), the problem with that explanation is that it doesn't take into account the relatively quick (i.e. less than 10 years) decline of the crime rate. It takes decades for the population to increase enough where the senior citizen population would actually affect something like the crime rate.

More likely factors in the increase or reduction of the crime rate are the minimum wage (poverty level), economic crises, wars, etc.

While I think that a reduction in gun ownership restrictions (i.e. more guns available to the law-abiding public) would have some benefit for lowering the crime rate, I don't think it would necessarily lower crime across the board. And it is difficult to show a direct correlation between those two things, because there are so many variables affecting crime rate.

Really be hard to disagree with anything ya said.

 

[phillydog1958]

How about this theoretical:

What if all gun ownership is made legal, and the government or NRA starts heavily advertising the fact that MORE people are owning guns. Perhaps simply the PERCEPTION that more people are armed (even if it isn't actually true) would decrease the crime rate? Whereas by banning guns, it appears that fewer people will be armed, thus the PERCEPTION that fewer people are armed would increase the crime rate?

If all guns made were legal, to include semi and fully-automatic weapons, and the NRA started advertising that more people are owning guns, what makes you think that this would be a deterrent for the criminal mind? Most criminals would just stock up and use more powerful wepons to commit crimes. Many already do it. Studies already show that capital punishment does not deter criminals from committing violent crimes, such as murder. Please keep in mind that the average criminal always assumes that he/she will not be caught. Also, your using an example that's based on the NRA advertising a falsehood. Is that fair and do you think that gun control groups are not going to check the NRA claims and dispute them? I doubt that the NRA is that stupid. They might spin the facts but I can't see them making a claim based on a big lie. Do you think it's OK to lie, just to make a point that supports your agenda?

 

[Conner]

If all guns made were legal, to include semi and fully-automatic weapons, and the NRA started advertising that more people are owning guns, what makes you think that this would be a deterrent for the criminal mind? Most criminals would just stock up and use more powerful wepons to commit crimes. Many already do it. Studies already show that capital punishment does not deter criminals from committing violent crimes, such as murder. Please keep in mind that the average criminal always assumes that he/she will not be caught. Also, your using an example that's based on the NRA advertising a falsehood. Is that fair and do you think that gun control groups are not going to check the NRA claims and dispute them? I doubt that the NRA is that stupid. They might spin the facts but I can't see them making a claim based on a big lie. Do you think it's OK to lie, just to make a point that supports your agenda?

There is a class of criminals that NOTHING is going to stop them from committing crimes, period. They're going to do it no matter what. For these people nothing but capital punishment is worthwhile, because they will always be in and out of prison costing the taxpayers millions of dollars.

I think the majority of lesser criminals WOULD think twice before breaking into a home or mugging someone if they knew that that neighborhood or that city had gun laws that supported and promoted law-abiding citizens owning and carrying (with permits) guns.

And as for the NRA making claims that aren't true, all I said was that it was a theoretical situation. As in think outside the box. I wouldn't condone outright lying. But saying something in a way that people can infer something that isn't true, isn't the same as lying. ****, politicians do it every day. How would it be any different?

And IF giving the general population (and therefore most criminals) the idea that more people are owning and carrying guns could reduce crime (any crime, not just violent murders) then would that not be something to consider?

 

[Conner]

Oh, and I don't think fully automatic weapons should be legal. There is no reason for the general populace to own them in my opinion. They should be military weapons only. But the problem is they are already commonly available, so banning them now is like closing the barn door after the horses are already gone, don't you think?

Handguns and shotguns are the staples of home and personal defence, and single-shot and semi-automatic rifles are mainly hunting weapons. So none of those deserve banning in my opinion. Again, the criminals will get the weapons no matter what the law says, so why ban law-abiding citizens from the best means to protect themselves?

 

[phillydog1958]

Oh, and I don't think fully automatic weapons should be legal. There is no reason for the general populace to own them in my opinion. They should be military weapons only. But the problem is they are already commonly available, so banning them now is like closing the barn door after the horses are already gone, don't you think?

Handguns and shotguns are the staples of home and personal defence, and single-shot and semi-automatic rifles are mainly hunting weapons. So none of those deserve banning in my opinion. Again, the criminals will get the weapons no matter what the law says, so why ban law-abiding citizens from the best means to protect themselves?

If you arm everyone, you're going to have total chaos. It would experience the calamity of the wild, wild west -- Street law. We'd be dealing with good citizens, with vigilante mindsets, with itchy trigger fingers and criminals with itchy trigger fingers. Who's to say that the crime rates would not rise? I think that you would see a rise in accidental shootings. Like I said earlier, the debate goes on and on. Maybe there is no earthly answer.

 

[TTTT]

Not taking sides

but

I just want to say that there are lots of meth, crack, and heroin addicts who don't give a CRAP about if you have a gun or not.. they just want enough money to buy that next hit, they'll rob you either way.

 

[phillydog1958]

Not taking sides

but

I just want to say that there are lots of meth, crack, and heroin addicts who don't give a CRAP about if you have a gun or not.. they just want enough money to buy that next hit, they'll rob you either way.

^^^^ I agree. The need to get a hit or fix of their drug of choice is much more powerful than the possibility of getting shot due to attempting to rob a potentially armed victim. Drug addicts don't think, they act.