Getting busted for illegal fish ??

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cjack;1631977; said:
or they are given to a well known and reputable keeper. THere was a guy that wrote an article for TFH who got some Asian Aros that were imported into the states.

The punishments for Asian Aros:

$250,000 fine, 5 years in jail per charge(fish)

Oh that's great. Yeah I'm glad they don't kill the fish which would be stupid, but instead some other guy gets your aro for free? To someplace like Shedd I can understand, but to bust into fishkeeper A's house and take his aro's, and fine him, only to turn around and give them to fishkeeper B because you've heard of him, or because he contributed to his senator's campaign, or he knew somebody who knew somebody and got some kind of 'permit' seems a bit unfair.
 
CTU2fan;1634677; said:
Oh that's great. Yeah I'm glad they don't kill the fish which would be stupid, but instead some other guy gets your aro for free? To someplace like Shedd I can understand, but to bust into fishkeeper A's house and take his aro's, and fine him, only to turn around and give them to fishkeeper B because you've heard of him, or because he contributed to his senator's campaign, or he knew somebody who knew somebody and got some kind of 'permit' seems a bit unfair.

Well then that should be good discouragement for owning illegal/endangered fish. If they just let people keep their illegal asian aro's, what would discourage others from obtaining them that way as well. I don't feel the least bit sorry for someone who buys an endangered animal.

Are these wild caught asian aro's that eveyone is talking about? I've read that there are farms that breed them(they have micro chips)
 
^ I agree they shouldn't get to keep the fish. But I'm a bit skeptical of how one might go about becoming the guy who gets to keep said confiscated fish...
 
There is a lot of misinfo on this thread....

As for "Fishkeeper A" having animals given to "Fishkeeper B", it's not that simple. The confiscated animals go to established facilities that have permits to keep such things. They are usually acredited and well known for what they do. It actually sucks sometimes to be in that position, because you now have fish you didn't want. You can't get rid of them since they are evidence in a federal case. SThey might not fit into a display area or theme you have going, so they only take up space in quarantine or holding areas. More or less, you just hold them on your dime. We a had a ton of Asian Aros at Dallas World from situations like this. They don't go to private owners EVER. The article in TFH was interesting only in that techinally that author shouldn't have had those fish. I wrote them about it. Never heard back. Then again, half the junk I read in those mags are incorrect, so why bother.

Permits (in the US) don't just get tossed out like coupons for Wal Mart. You have to really be top notch - and even then, you might not get one. With the permit, you open yourself up for inspections, checks and even worse fines if you operate outside the set limits of your paperwork. Yes, they really do come look at your place. Yes, they really do stop by without warning just to check. Yes, they really do write you up/fine you for operating outside your permits. Very few private owns will take the correct steps to get a permit.

Captive bred vs wild cught doesn't matter with that Asian Aro arguement in the US. They are all the same speices (no matter what color phase you try to break them down into). The species is protected - so that means ALL of them. You can complain about it all you want, but until someone dumps the money into getting an accurate wild population count, they will remain as CITES Appendix 1 and be protected in the US.


As for the comments "I won't turn it lose, I don't get it"... that is narrowminded. there are several reasons an animal maybe prohibited in your area. Along those same lines,

YES PEOPLE GET NAILED ALL THE TIME WITH ILLEGAL FISH.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to find someone. 90% of illegal fish keepers will talk about the animal they have at some point or another. It's not a fun process to go through. It's hard on you and your family. It's humiliating and expensive. Just don't do it. You are hurting not only yourself and the animal(s), but also the reputation of other fish keepers (meaning the rest of us on this forum as well as millions of others).
 
Asian Aros are not always killed. They are also not illegal to own just because they are listed by cites, but also because of the Lacey act and the US government will not allow any apendix 1 listed animals.
 
cjack;1631977; said:
They bring them to any public aquarium (the Shedd Aquarium has tons of Asian Aros) or they are given to a well known and reputable keeper.

So, if this aquarium in the U.S. has a community of asian aros, and they successfully, "accidently" breed, what would happen to the offspring? I think they should be able to sell them, since it isn't hurting wild populations. I personally think that the laws should cover importing/ exporting, not buying/selling and possession within the states.
 
Zoodiver;1634831; said:
There is a lot of misinfo on this thread....

As for "Fishkeeper A" having animals given to "Fishkeeper B", it's not that simple. The confiscated animals go to established facilities that have permits to keep such things. They are usually acredited and well known for what they do. It actually sucks sometimes to be in that position, because you now have fish you didn't want. You can't get rid of them since they are evidence in a federal case. SThey might not fit into a display area or theme you have going, so they only take up space in quarantine or holding areas. More or less, you just hold them on your dime. We a had a ton of Asian Aros at Dallas World from situations like this. They don't go to private owners EVER. The article in TFH was interesting only in that techinally that author shouldn't have had those fish. I wrote them about it. Never heard back. Then again, half the junk I read in those mags are incorrect, so why bother.

Permits (in the US) don't just get tossed out like coupons for Wal Mart. You have to really be top notch - and even then, you might not get one. With the permit, you open yourself up for inspections, checks and even worse fines if you operate outside the set limits of your paperwork. Yes, they really do come look at your place. Yes, they really do stop by without warning just to check. Yes, they really do write you up/fine you for operating outside your permits. Very few private owns will take the correct steps to get a permit.

Captive bred vs wild cught doesn't matter with that Asian Aro arguement in the US. They are all the same speices (no matter what color phase you try to break them down into). The species is protected - so that means ALL of them. You can complain about it all you want, but until someone dumps the money into getting an accurate wild population count, they will remain as CITES Appendix 1 and be protected in the US.


As for the comments "I won't turn it lose, I don't get it"... that is narrowminded. there are several reasons an animal maybe prohibited in your area. Along those same lines,

YES PEOPLE GET NAILED ALL THE TIME WITH ILLEGAL FISH.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to find someone. 90% of illegal fish keepers will talk about the animal they have at some point or another. It's not a fun process to go through. It's hard on you and your family. It's humiliating and expensive. Just don't do it. You are hurting not only yourself and the animal(s), but also the reputation of other fish keepers (meaning the rest of us on this forum as well as millions of others).


Very VERY infomative thank you for this
 
It would just be easier for someone to buy a illegal fish permit and get checked up on randomly to see if you still have the fish etc etc. Then when it dies you call them and they come over to verify its dead and not in a lake.
 
frnchjeep;1635260; said:
So, if this aquarium in the U.S. has a community of asian aros, and they successfully, "accidently" breed, what would happen to the offspring? I think they should be able to sell them, since it isn't hurting wild populations. I personally think that the laws should cover importing/ exporting, not buying/selling and possession within the states.

The issue would then be, did you get this fish legally or not? say you get one legally & it dies, you invested a bunch of $$ getting it in the first place, now its gone.. you have all the paperwork so you get one off the black market & claim its the legal one.

People would them get them illegally & forge the documents..
 
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