Is it true that leopoldi's are coming in Jan?

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jdepasqu2;1256631; said:
can anyone explain why leos were going for 250 to 500 before the ban???


The cost of fish out of the river is free. The fish collectors put the price tag on them, depending on a number of variables. Ie; How long do I have to travel, where do I have to go, how dangerous is it, how hard is it to find, how easy does it die.

Black Rays aren't nearly as abundant in the Amazon, as DW stated. Black Rays come from exclusive areas, especially when you get selective with P14s and Itautaba (sp?).. I have heard stories of village elders knowing the collecting areas of special rare fish, only to be handed down to next of kin. I could see this very possible with black rays.

Motoros, and most other brown rays are ridiculously abundant, found in almost every river system in SA. They are considered a nuisance animal, and people are paid to kill them and keep them from threatening bathing and recreational beaches. If you lived on the river, you could take a throw net and bring up a dozen motoros in a short period of time..

From what I understand, before the ban.. Fish Collectors would ask about $5-7 for each Motoro sold to the Middlemen/Exporters. They would ask about $100-150 for black rays. Keep in mind the conversation rates, that is alot of money in those countries. Obviously, the black ray is a much harder to come by.

Add facility costs, export costs, DOAs, licensing, shipping, import fees, more shipping fees, profitable mark-up and you have a $500 animal.

Do the same for an animal that you started off paying $5 for, and package more per box in shipping, and you have a $100 animal.






Anyways.. I hope black rays continue to hold their value and appeal and become more abundant at the same time.
 
Miles;1257715; said:
The cost of fish out of the river is free. The fish collectors put the price tag on them, depending on a number of variables. Ie; How long do I have to travel, where do I have to go, how dangerous is it, how hard is it to find, how easy does it die.

Black Rays aren't nearly as abundant in the Amazon, as DW stated. Black Rays come from exclusive areas, especially when you get selective with P14s and Itautaba (sp?).. I have heard stories of village elders knowing the collecting areas of special rare fish, only to be handed down to next of kin. I could see this very possible with black rays.

Motoros, and most other brown rays are ridiculously abundant, found in almost every river system in SA. They are considered a nuisance animal, and people are paid to kill them and keep them from threatening bathing and recreational beaches. If you lived on the river, you could take a throw net and bring up a dozen motoros in a short period of time..

From what I understand, before the ban.. Fish Collectors would ask about $5-7 for each Motoro sold to the Middlemen/Exporters. They would ask about $100-150 for black rays. Keep in mind the conversation rates, that is alot of money in those countries. Obviously, the black ray is a much harder to come by.

Add facility costs, export costs, DOAs, licensing, shipping, import fees, more shipping fees, profitable mark-up and you have a $500 animal.

Do the same for an animal that you started off paying $5 for, and package more per box in shipping, and you have a $100 animal.






Anyways.. I hope black rays continue to hold their value and appeal and become more abundant at the same time.


Thanks...... I basically knew how the processed worked but wasnt really sure how it came to what it is today..... I guess it just explains how it use to be before the ray craze...... I was wondering why you wish for the black ray prices to stay high??? Are you breeding???? thanks again....
 
even if the ban is lifted i will never buy a wild caught ray again

captive bred rays are much better than wild caught

think about it this way how many p14 did you see for sale even before the ban im thinking their are more p14 and pearls for sale now with all the captive breeding than before the ban
 
T1KARMANN;1258627; said:
even if the ban is lifted i will never buy a wild caught ray again

captive bred rays are much better than wild caught

And that sums it up right there.:headbang2
 
jdepasqu2;1258998; said:
I think he means better as in more expensive......:)

Actualy I dont think thats what he means at all. I dont want to answer for T1 but I think he means if you import a wild ray there are so many downsides to the animal in order to get it acclimated to tanks and eating prepared foods. Many die in the process of quarantine and from the stress of shipping. With CB rays there is a much higher survival rate.
 
Just jokin around Mike........, CB rays are definitely easier to work with.... wish i had one....
 
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