Is it true that leopoldi's are coming in Jan?

[Nic]

they wont be

 

[Brent]

This is all BS started by a couple broke exporters trying to get inexperienced potential buyers to send them money

 

[cichlaguapote]

can anyone explain why leos were going for 250 to 500 before the ban??? were there that many on the market then???

I wasn't big into rays before the ban but was around to see low prices everyone dreams about. My obvious reasoning is supply and demand. Before supply was higher, demand was the same or lower. How many can be brought in wild? Now think about how many even breeding operations like Mike's can pump out a year? Probably far less then they can catch wild. You have alot of people believe it or not who want the rays more than ever now that they're more expensive. Means they have something expensive and less other people will have it. I think rays didn't used to be as popular and have really hit the big time popularity the past few years with the advent of internet forums/etc.

That would be my synopis, opinion and guess'. Only people I think that should be syked about a lift on the ban is those people who need new blood for breeding and have $$ to pay for it.

 

[Nic]

I wasn't big into rays before the ban but was around to see low prices everyone dreams about. My obvious reasoning is supply and demand. Before supply was higher, demand was the same or lower. How many can be brought in wild? Now think about how many even breeding operations like Mike's can pump out a year? Probably far less then they can catch wild. You have alot of people believe it or not who want the rays more than ever now that they're more expensive. Means they have something expensive and less other people will have it. I think rays didn't used to be as popular and have really hit the big time popularity the past few years.

That would be my synopis, opinion and guess'.

i agree....... too many people are willing to pay $$$ for them so kiss the cheap prices good bye also it has been stated many times now that they will not be released... if they are the exporters are going to charge top dollar cause of what the captive rays are going for

 

[stingrayguy]

WOW you a moderator now? Congrats on the promotion, maybe people will respond to you now.................

dude.. someone should really ban you. You are a pain in my *** sorry to derail.. but you should just keep outta this if you have nothing to help the thread

 

[nickdog98]

I can see all the happy people calling exporters in Brazil offering large amounts of money in ADVANCE for them to have exclusive rights on their leopoldis WHEN they lift the ban

 

[csx4236]

This is also what my source tells me. 3 Big exporters have talked to Ibama now Ibama is split in 2 orginazations. And they are still talking and what are they talking about. Their is a SMALL change that their will be quota for some rays. It will be for 5 species NOT including any black rays or pearls.
If this will be done it will be quota from 500 till 1000 animals per species. So minimum 2500 and maximum 5000 animals.
Already the export fromPeru has dubbled from 20000 animals to 40000 animals. But my question is have you seen them? I don't know of other people but Idon't see them in Europe do you see them in the US or in Asia?? These are official figures where all these rays.
But like some of you sad already lets wait and see.
Regards
Frank

Thanks for help on this matter Frank.

 

[jdepasqu2]

I still cant believe that the small country of peru can export 40000 rays and Brazil...., a country at least 5 times the size with way more river cant export any..... WTF..... some real BS......... I know that is not what this thread is about but....., i just cant even begin to understand the ass-backwards Export ban.....

So if it isnt lifted by the new year then when......, never???? I find that hard to believe......

 

[Teal]

What goes up must come down. It takes time to come down but it will. In Asian, ray market the black ray 10"-12"start at $2700-3000 each and female cost more. Even regular Motoro price went up also because deman on stingray is higher than 2 years ago . It's all about making money. Maney people invest the money by bread them asap so they can be the first in the market while the price still high.
Within a year so maney breaders just pop-up from no where and bread motoro and cross bread rays in Thai market, now the price start to drop because numbers of supply start to grow. I'm sure the black ray will be too. Sad to say, I myself spend alot of money on nice one too. Some of you may know the price on flowerhorns a year ago(too much for cross bread fish),and look at them now ,price is cut in half on most of them. Lift or not price will
get cheaper, but it take time.
Teal

 

[mshuangchao]

Unlike the flower-horn, rays reproduce at a speed much slower, so it will take a much longer time for the price to start to fall.