It wont be long now!

[akskirmish]

I never said to not "educate".............. and teach your children... But to put a photo of your child on MFK holding a AK47 does not make you a man.. it makes you look like an irresponcible father... and believe me ...Marines do make the man... i will not comment anymore... enough is said.. and i could debate this all day... said and done!

So you Assumed

Once again marines can make a man out of a boy for say........But trust me...I was a man far before military.....

You should just bow out now....I have alot of respect for you......

 

[Madding]

In case you all have missed the several times Ive said, she has ZERO access to weapons. If, the off chance she can figure out how to grab a step ladder and get the few guns that are out of sight (she doesnt know they are there so in order for her to get them she would 1st have to find out they are there some how and then get a step ladder which she is too small to get anyway). Then she would have to physically load the mag into the weapon and then charge the weapon. She doesnt know how to charge any of my weapons and if she did, she simply does not have the strength to do it any how. She probably wouldnt have the strength until she is at least 10 any how.

So, in summary, my child has zero access to weapons on her own. It will be like that until she is at least 16. After all if you are mature enough to do something as dangerous and deadly as operate a 3,000 pound piece of machinery her maturity level will be high enough to know how to operate a weapon if needed. And before yall get all mad that a 16 year old shouldnt have a gun, let me say this, that is 12 years away! MANY things can change in the next twelve years and my wife and I as her parents will make that decision when the time comes.

Please think with logic and facts instead of emotional knee jerk reactions.

How was I supposed to know where your guns are hidden, and that it involved a step-ladder?

 

[akskirmish]

I believe the point people are trying to make is that at age 3 there is no need for this knowledge. I'm sure as a father you know that a 7 year old is vastly more intelligent than a 3 year old.

I personally have no problem with it, since its just a picture and some lessons - it is not as if the kid is firing the gun as a toddler... but I can see where people would be concerned.

Yeah I know my 7 year old is far advanced than a 3 yeear old....

But who is to say that she wasn't being educated at a sooner age.....

 

[akskirmish]

I am not going to discuss "responsible or not responsible " gun keeping with You or JD, because there is no doubt in my mind that both of you know about guns and all it entails.

My difference from your approach is just that I see absolutely no advantage in having one so young familiar with weapons.

As I said already, familiarity breeds disrespect, imho. And I would not be surprised if more accidents with kids happen out of that "familiarity" or, on the contrary, from ignorance and wanting to play with what they do not know....

Spend some time in my area and one would get an eye opening as to why they should be......

 

[Miguel]

I understand that the guns are safely hidden. And difficult to gain access to.

What I fear, in those situations, is the urchins inherent curiosity! They look, search, everywhere, the nosy rats!

 

[JD7.62]

My point is: Why are we (the US) an outlier (vs. other industrialized nations) when it comes to gun deaths, accidents, etc., including with regard to kids?

Are we an outlier (or an outlier to such an extent) with regard to rates of motor vehicle injuries (especially with kids)?

Matt

I would be interested to know as well. Of course more of anything = more chance of something bad happening.

However our country is very unique. We are VERY diverse culturally, economically and racially. Its hard to compare us to any other countries in stats as most are no where near as blessed as us to have such a diverse population. Even if its one thing like guns, or auto accidents, each "group" of people have their own rate of, well anything. Taking that into account its hard to compare us to other industrialized nations like say Switzerland which has an extremely large number of weapons per capita but much smaller gun deaths because they are such a homogeneous population. (not saying they have a lower rate then us because they are all the same but simply stating that its hard to compare the two)

 

[akskirmish]

The problem is that in a kid this young(boys esp), they are NOT emotionally mature for guns...They might hit someone when they are angry...but if they know how to get to guns, they might just shoot someone without fully realizing the real consequences of their actions.

Thats lack of education

 

[Miguel]

I would be interested to know as well. Of course more of anything = more chance of something bad happening.

However our country is very unique. We are VERY diverse culturally, economically and racially. Its hard to compare us to any other countries in stats as most are no where near as blessed as us to have such a diverse population. Even if its one thing like guns, or auto accidents, each "group" of people have their own rate of, well anything. Taking that into account its hard to compare us to other industrialized nations like say Switzerland which has an extremely large number of weapons per capita but much smaller gun deaths because they are such a homogeneous population. (not saying they have a lower rate then us because they are all the same but simply stating that its hard to compare the two)

Would like to see a statistical comparison between you guys and, say, Brasil.

To use an example of a population as diverse as yours.

 

[akskirmish]

I understand that the guns are safely hidden. And difficult to gain access to.

What I fear, in those situations, is the urchins inherent curiosity! They look, search, everywhere, the nosy rats!

One like myself have hidden safes built into my cabins and business along with house.....

This can be easily done for him as well with minimal effort.....


Every situation is different......

 

[dogofwar]

The CDC study focuses on RATES of death and injury from guns vs. absolute numbers.

http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm#00002255.htm

Here's a chart from the report. It's pretty clear who the outlier is.

As an aside, the report provides the following:

"Editorial Note: The findings in this report document a high rate of death among U.S. children associated with violence and unintentional firearm-related injuries, particularly in comparison with other industrialized countries. Even though rates in all other countries were lower than those in the United States, rates among other countries varied substantially and were particularly low in some countries. Although specific reasons for the differences in rates among countries are unknown, previous studies have reported on the associations between rates of violent childhood death and low funding for social programs (6), economic stress related to participation of women in the labor force (7,8), divorce, ethnic-linguistic heterogeneity, and social acceptability of violence (9)."

Matt

I would be interested to know as well. Of course more of anything = more chance of something bad happening.

However our country is very unique. We are VERY diverse culturally, economically and racially. Its hard to compare us to any other countries in stats as most are no where near as blessed as us to have such a diverse population. Even if its one thing like guns, or auto accidents, each "group" of people have their own rate of, well anything. Taking that into account its hard to compare us to other industrialized nations like say Switzerland which has an extremely large number of weapons per capita but much smaller gun deaths because they are such a homogeneous population. (not saying they have a lower rate then us because they are all the same but simply stating that its hard to compare the two)