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Miguel;4815684; said:
I dont know of any stats in Brazil but I am very close to MANY Brazilians through marriage as well as a program I participate in that brings Brazilian college students to the US to work and perfect their English skills. I will say that I take just about every one of them shooting and have had many conversations on the subject of gun and diversity in our two countries. This is what Ive learned...
Guns are common in Brazil but not legally like here. Crime is VERY bad in Brazil, all crimes not just gun crime. A good friend of mine was stabbed when she was 12 by a 7 year old over an ice cream cone. They all tell me that muggings and purse snatching and pocket picking are an everyday occurrence and no one really carries their money in an easy reach of a mugger. What shocks me is that the people of Brazil kind of expect and in a way accept that as the norm almost as if it is ok. Perhaps because no law abiding Brazilian can legally defend themselves?
The diversity in Brazil is just racially, not socially/culturally. I have learned that really there is no difference in the way each Brazillian acts when it comes to any outward appearance. Honestly, they are all shocked at how different culturally white and black people are in this country. One of our recent students asked me why black people talked and acted different then I do. I really did not know the answer and honestly could care less as I am a very live and let live person. Because even in Brazil which is diverse racially, I dont think they are a good comparison as they are not as diverse culturally.
They all have LOVED it when Ive taken them shooting and they all feel much safer in the US than in Brazil despite there probably being more guns here. Of course it is a bit of a culture shock to them as they always think only bad people have guns. Its refreshing to teach that the truth is just the opposite here. Next month is the National Gun Day show here in the city and I will take a few to it. I cant wait to see their faces when they walk into the convention center with over 3,000 TABLES of guns for sale to the public.
From a report by Unicef (http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/repcard2e.pdf) comparing various causes of death and injury of children.
Page 10 (of the report 12/32 of the pdf) shows the relative rates of deaths among children 1-14 caused by traffic accidents.
Rates range from 2.5/100K for Sweden to 12.6 for Korea. The US is toward the bottom @ 5.8 deaths / 100K. Canada is at 4.3.
Bottom line: The US isn't an outlier in the same way that we are with regard to deaths and accidental deaths with firearms (vs. other nations).
Also from this report (page 12): "Unintentional firearm deaths are uncommon outside of the United States and Mexico...<I>n the case of the United States, firearms are responsible for 42 per cent of intentional deaths among 10 to 14 year olds and 1 in 6 of all injury deaths in this age group, whether intentional or unintentional."
Matt
Page 10 (of the report 12/32 of the pdf) shows the relative rates of deaths among children 1-14 caused by traffic accidents.
Rates range from 2.5/100K for Sweden to 12.6 for Korea. The US is toward the bottom @ 5.8 deaths / 100K. Canada is at 4.3.
Bottom line: The US isn't an outlier in the same way that we are with regard to deaths and accidental deaths with firearms (vs. other nations).
Also from this report (page 12): "Unintentional firearm deaths are uncommon outside of the United States and Mexico...<I>n the case of the United States, firearms are responsible for 42 per cent of intentional deaths among 10 to 14 year olds and 1 in 6 of all injury deaths in this age group, whether intentional or unintentional."
Matt
No thanks, I'll stick to the US 
JD7.62;4815729; said:
Wow!! I was just thinking about gun related accidents, not the whole sociogeographical comparison between the US and Brasil.
I go there several times a year, and you are right about the normalcy of crime and reaction to it.
Also that guns are mainly illegal, but for an accident to happen a gun does not need to be legal.
And you are wrong in one thing, JD. They have enormous social differences, as they do cultural. You have a lot of countries, and their culture, inside Brasil. Not only countries, but different continents.
If possible, I would even guess that they are more diverse than you guys ( but that is off topic )
I skipped the second page for now but having a 21 month old I can tell you she wants my glasses all the time even though she has seen them everyday since she was born...why? Because shes knows she shouldn't have them.
She is a little more mindful with my mother(her grandma). When my mother is in the house she ignores the TV remote... as soon as my mother leaves she goes straight to it to grab it.
So, I don't buy the story that if a kid is around something then they will ignore it. They behave differently when no one is watching.
However, I do believe each child is different. I don't see anything wrong with having guns if they are well protected(away) from kids.
She is a little more mindful with my mother(her grandma). When my mother is in the house she ignores the TV remote... as soon as my mother leaves she goes straight to it to grab it.
So, I don't buy the story that if a kid is around something then they will ignore it. They behave differently when no one is watching.
However, I do believe each child is different. I don't see anything wrong with having guns if they are well protected(away) from kids.
JD7.62;4810287; said:
xxx2 i completely agree with you, i would trust a firearm EDUCATED child over some of these 20-something yahoos that go buy a gun and have no gun education or firearm safety. negligent discharges can occur at any age with a lack of education. a child that knows to always treat every gun as if it was loaded and to never put their finger on a trigger until the gun is safely pointing at the target they intend to shoot will not have a negligent discharge while an adult that does not know these basic firearm safety rules are much more likely for a negligent discharge.
We yell at the ignorant media together when they say "clips" instead of the proper term, "magazine." <- haha, you sound like a reader of the www.everydaynodaysoff.com blog
the child is following basic firearm safety, her finger is not on the trigger, it's not loaded, and she isn't pointing it at anyone... looks like she's had a very knowledgeable teacher, haha
