It wont be long now!

[Miguel]

The truth is that we're horrible at dancing and make up our shortcomings with both nuclear and chemical Armageddon.

we do it driving, in these here parts

 

[Madding]

 

[dogofwar]

I'd say that the results of the study would be a no-brainer if it found that the NUMBER of gun-related deaths of kids in states with the highest rates of gun ownership were higher than in states with lower rates of gun ownership (i.e. more guns / more accidental deaths of kids by guns).

But the interesting fact is that the RATE of gun deaths is highest in the states with the highest rates of gun ownership. By many, many times.

In other words, in states with higher rates of gun ownership, more 17 times as many kids are accidentally killed by guns as in the states with low rates of gun ownership.

One possible way to explain this is that in states with high rates of gun ownership that there's a lot more irresponsible behavior involving kids and guns than in states with low rates of gun ownership (i.e. that guns are rarer). Or conversely, people in states with low gun ownership rates are more responsible in behavior involving kids and guns than people in states with higher rates of gun ownership.

Matt

Of course. I believe that no one disputes that.

The issue seems, at least to me, to be the pros and cons of educating the children on having those guns around them, as most in this discussion seem to think ( and I can understand that rationale ) and those, where I include myself, that think that that still is dangerous, because children will be children and, again, because familiarity can lead to disrespect of the rules and corner cuttings....

 

[jlnguyen74]

What does it matter? It's THE LEADING CAUSE of child deaths in the USA. You like to play the stats game, but turn a blind eye when the stats go against your argument right?

Too bad that they don't have stat in the same year, but may you tell us which stat is higher?

In the United States during 2005, 1,335 children ages 14 years and younger died as occupants in motor vehicle crashes, and approximately 184,000 were injured. That’s an average of 4 deaths and 504 injuries each day.

In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.

The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:

• 214 unintentional
• 1,078 suicides
• 1,990 homicides
• 83 for which the intent could not be determined
• 20 due to legal intervention

Also, there is no suicide, homicide, legal intervention or inetent could not be determined with vehicle, so what's your thought, J?

 

[jcardona1]

Too bad that they don't have stat in the same year, but may you tell us which stat is higher?


Also, there is no suicide, homicide, legal intervention or inetent could not be determined with vehicle, so what's your thought, J?

Ah but your comparison is flawed. Car accidents are based on ages 0-14. Gun deaths on 0-19. We all know 15-19yr olds do not have the mind of a child anymore. I highly doubt the deaths in the 15-19yr category were accidental gun deaths. You and I know most of these are intentional MURDER. Slightly different scenario.

This is why I hate stats. I just posted some in defense of what was posted earlier.

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Ummmm debated whether or not to close this, thus far no name calling, please report or PM me if there is a problem, havent read it all but seems like people are going to agree to disagree?

 

[jcardona1]

Ummmm debated whether or not to close this, thus far no name calling, please report or PM me if there is a problem, havent read it all but seems like people are going to agree to disagree?

The MFK whiners want this thread closed? Why? Like you said, It's just been a discussion. A little heated at times, but civilized at least.

 

[Dan F]

Actually it depends on the state. In the state of Kentucky, there is no age limit for possession of a long gun. One must be 16 to posses a handgun but only while hunting, target shooting or en route to or from one of those activities. Over 18, no limits on possession. My CCW is not only for pistols either. It entitles me to carry what ever I want up to and including "weapons of mass destruction" and yes it says explicitly that in the statute.

I would like to see that statute that says private citizens may carry "weapons of mass destruction".

I am certainly not calling you a liar (I would never say anything derogatory about an individual as heavily armed as you), but it is hard to believe that it actually says that you can walk around downtown with a bomb in your pocket.

 

[chefjamesscott]

If I may interject I agree with Red Devil. Everyone thinks it's all cute with kids posing with guns until someone gets hurt.

Is this a for real vid?

I can not believe that someone else did not quote this.

If this is real , I can not believe that that 2-4 year old had a loaded firearm.

Personally I have no issue with the op picture of his daughter holding the dead gun.

While I have no firearms in my house, I have actually shown my kids some defense techniques which will enable them to defend themselves against anyone who would try o abduct them or do them harm with violence in the form of bullying.

I also have no issue with the op having weapons at the ready in his house, more than one at that too.

Weapons are like insurance. Makes people really wish they had it when the time comes to put it to action.

I would have to say in this day and age where violent crime is rampant, the defence of ones family must be a priority. I prefer that my family knows that I am at the ready and it only takes a flick of the switch and any perp best be prepared for what is coming.

I try to make sure that my kids have an idea how to turn everyday objects into weapons of various sorts should the need ever arise. As well, that they have the rudiments of using the ultimate weapon themselves.

I do agree with red that military does make a man. I really think that everyone should do at least a 6 month intensive basic training course. I think it would totally change the dynamic of our society as a whole. Yet that opens up a cup of worms for many people.

I really hope the thing I quoted was not the real deal.

 

[jcardona1]

Is this a for real vid?

I can not believe that someone else did not quote this.

Very real. Happened in Syria a few years ago. It was father/son. Guy died at the scene. Moron.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=053_1229002851

And you can tell how real it is...Notice how the recoil of the gun knocks the kid out cold