MMA News and Notes

[Clay]

The stoppage was justified. You can't expect someone to see you like this

and then this after 1 punch:


Then this after a few more:

and expect the fight to keep going. I was shocked, but I think it was a good call. if you look at Fedor, he is face down, arms folded under him, and he's out. Even if it's a momentary KO, it's important to protect the fighters. Some comparisons have been made to the Lesnar Carwin fight, but I think Lesnar always moved when he was told it was about to be stopped, and he was never unconscious.

I think Fedor was a great fighter, but very much a product of soft competition and even softer matchmaking. Aside from Nog, who on that list was any good, or in cro cop's case stood a chance against the ground game? Randleman? Mark Hunt? Hong Man Choi? Tim Sylvia? Gary Goodrich? I always wanted to see Fedor sign with the UFC and really dominate over their heavyweights, bu he never did... and it became obvious that his management was doing the ducking for him. They didn't want him to fight against the best fighters in the world. They were happy being a big fish in a medium pond. How can you say he's relevant if you think he should hang it up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

 

[pwmin]

what a shame....IDK what to say about Fedor anymore....still my favorite fighter EVER but it's either time to go down to light heavy and change things up, like maybe train somewhere else, or hang it up

 

[digger]

Fedor will always have a valid place in the history of mma. To say he was ducking the ufc until recently is a joke. Back in the early 2000s whodid the ufc have for heavyweights that was even decent? That is why so many people were involved in watching Pride. Does anyone remember ufc fighters going over there for tournaments and sitting ringside with commentary (Couture). 2000-2005 hosted the best fighters at Pride. People bring up Goodrich, Coleman, Big Nog, and Cro cop like these guys are a joke and compared to todays more athletic wqell rounded fighter maybe but at the time they were the top. Fedor's fighting style will always be relevantregardless if he hangs it up or not. Now that THAT tirade is over. The future of the hwd seems to be a fighter like JDS or Cain and that fight is gonna be incredible!

 

[SumoNinja]

The stoppage was justified. You can't expect someone to see you like this
and then this after 1 punch:

Then this after a few more:
and expect the fight to keep going. I was shocked, but I think it was a good call. if you look at Fedor, he is face down, arms folded under him, and he's out. Even if it's a momentary KO, it's important to protect the fighters. Some comparisons have been made to the Lesnar Carwin fight, but I think Lesnar always moved when he was told it was about to be stopped, and he was never unconscious.

I think Fedor was a great fighter, but very much a product of soft competition and even softer matchmaking. Aside from Nog, who on that list was any good, or in cro cop's case stood a chance against the ground game? Randleman? Mark Hunt? Hong Man Choi? Tim Sylvia? Gary Goodrich? I always wanted to see Fedor sign with the UFC and really dominate over their heavyweights, bu he never did... and it became obvious that his management was doing the ducking for him. They didn't want him to fight against the best fighters in the world. They were happy being a big fish in a medium pond. How can you say he's relevant if you think he should hang it up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

no one here argued that it was an unjustified stoppage

and it's nice how you only show pics of part of the stoppage. still pics and shots of the whole thing in action can be very misleading which in the case of your post, kinda seems like that's what you intended to prove your point. but why don't you post a pic of where fedor turned around and started protecting himself. and you, just like the commentators, completely ignored the fact that after the first punch that dropped fedor for a split second, there were 2 punches that he hit fedor directly to the back of the head with which are illegal and the ref jumps in just as fedor turned around.

here's the fight in it's entirety. it may be pulled soon for copyright since zuffa owns sf now, but anyways, it clearly shows that it was a flash ko, which if you are an mma fan and have been watching and are not retarded, will know that many fighters have been flash ko'd and was able to come back into the fight.

the fight gets stopped at about 10:57. The one punch that drops fedor is at 10:55. so about two seconds after the punch herb jumped in but that's when fedor turned around to defend himself and fight back but it was already too late. but right after the first punch, the next 2 are to the back of the head, and i know fedor was hurt from the first punch, but the 2 illegal blows hurt him even more
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[SumoNinja]

I think Fedor was a great fighter, but very much a product of soft competition and even softer matchmaking. Aside from Nog, who on that list was any good, or in cro cop's case stood a chance against the ground game? Randleman? Mark Hunt? Hong Man Choi? Tim Sylvia? Gary Goodrich? I always wanted to see Fedor sign with the UFC and really dominate over their heavyweights, bu he never did... and it became obvious that his management was doing the ducking for him. They didn't want him to fight against the best fighters in the world. They were happy being a big fish in a medium pond. How can you say he's relevant if you think he should hang it up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

i don't think you wanna get into this with me. although you say you are a fedor fan, i usually ignore people who try to downplay fedor's competition, his legacy and his career. to me they are simply trolls, blind biased haters or flat out just don't know what they are talking about.

but if you wanna get into that, first tell me who you think is a true goat over fedor

and about fedor being relevant, we need to clarify
1. he is relevant and always will be a figure and a legend in mma

2. is he relevant as far as rankings? i would have to say at this point, no. when you first mentioned it, i disagreed, simply because it was too soon to say, and i don't jump on or off bandwagons after 1 or 2 losses to top competition like werdum and giant silva. but now, i would have to say he has fell off the top 10 and i do feel that he has done his part and has nothing left to prove, and should retire

 

[SumoNinja]

Fedor will always have a valid place in the history of mma. To say he was ducking the ufc until recently is a joke. Back in the early 2000s whodid the ufc have for heavyweights that was even decent? That is why so many people were involved in watching Pride. Does anyone remember ufc fighters going over there for tournaments and sitting ringside with commentary (Couture). 2000-2005 hosted the best fighters at Pride. People bring up Goodrich, Coleman, Big Nog, and Cro cop like these guys are a joke and compared to todays more athletic wqell rounded fighter maybe but at the time they were the top. Fedor's fighting style will always be relevantregardless if he hangs it up or not. Now that THAT tirade is over. The future of the hwd seems to be a fighter like JDS or Cain and that fight is gonna be incredible!

and i like how some people will trash fedor's legacy

and it's those same people that will praise shane carwin, cain velasquez and brock lesnar as if you can even compare their careers at this point. some of these fans weren't even introduced to mma until TUF was aired on spike

as for who will reign in the hw division? i would say cain is gonna be top dog for a while. i'm a fan of cain and junior, but i would have to pick cain over junior. i currently pick every heavyweight in the world as an underdog against cain. jmo

 

[krichardson]

I'm not the biggest Fedor fan but I definitely won't go as far as to call his relevance or importance into question.As far the illegal blows though,they are clearly multiple shots to the back of Fedors head but they came just seconds after Hendo quickly twisted and gained the top position from below.He was constantly throwing punches and at that point that'ts where their bodies were positioned.It's not as though Hendo moved into position for that sole purpose so,while the punches were illegal,they were not flagrant.That's why I think nothing was made of them.

 

[SumoNinja]

yea i agree ^

i don't see dan as that kind of fighter and i believe there wasn't the intent there to throw an illegal blow. but none the less, they were illegal. it's like when someone kicks their opponant in the groin, it's not intended, but fighters will be warned or penalized for it

but at this point, it's kind of moot to bring it up, i see it as a legit loss regardless. but i do feel that if herb didn't jump in and those shots to the back of the head didn't happen, fedor would've had a much better chance to recover. as much as the first punch hurt him, those next 2-3 punches sealed it. again, i saw a clip from another angle where they showed fedor get to his feet right away and he was wobbly.

anyways, i read just now that Lee Murray may be released as soon as end of this year and that if he is released he wants to continue his mma career. interesting stuff

 

[digger]

I like Cain and I think he is an incredible athlete, 1 who could stay on the top for a good long time but there is something about him that worries me for his career. Flash knockouts. Yes he beat Kongo but there were a few times in that fight it didn't look good for him and it happened with another fighter but I can't remember who. If JDS wins it's because they noticed it too and with the way he pummeled Carwin Jds might just have Cain counting lights at the end of the night. If it doesn't happen straight talent, athletic ability and technical style goes to Cain.

 

[SumoNinja]

I like Cain and I think he is an incredible athlete, 1 who could stay on the top for a good long time but there is something about him that worries me for his career. Flash knockouts. Yes he beat Kongo but there were a few times in that fight it didn't look good for him and it happened with another fighter but I can't remember who. If JDS wins it's because they noticed it too and with the way he pummeled Carwin Jds might just have Cain counting lights at the end of the night. If it doesn't happen straight talent, athletic ability and technical style goes to Cain.

i see it a little different

Cain is a smart fighter and is continuously evolving and improving holes in his game. He's looked better and more mature each time he's out there. And he made a believer outta me after seeing him take those shots from Kongo. To be able to eat clean punches like that and complete the take down and maintain composure, that's the signs of a champion right there. When Kongo clocked him Kongo wasn't hurt or tired, he was fresh and he planted his feet. He has ko'd other fighters with those punches and recently ko'd Barry while hurt so that just shows me how solid Cain's chin is. His ONLY disadvantage would be his size and reach. Other than that, I think he's got the strength, the wrestling and the heavy hands to take on anybody. And his overall mma skills allows him to compensate for his size disadvantage. I'm very impressed by Cain thus far, he picks his shots, he recognizes when he's in trouble, he doesn't wildly brawl and his relentlessness seems too much for anyone to handle at this point. There isn't too many heavyweights with his cardio. I see him winning a decision against junior or even get a tko. but it's a fight and in mma, we all know anything can and does happen so it wouldn't surprize me if junior knocks him out. I like both guys so it will be a bittersweet ending no matter who comes out on top