MMA News and Notes

[Clay]

no one here argued that it was an unjustified stoppage

I read a comment saying it was premature. (Krichardson)

and it's nice how you only show pics of part of the stoppage. still pics and shots of the whole thing in action can be very misleading which in the case of your post, kinda seems like that's what you intended to prove your point. but why don't you post a pic of where fedor turned around and started protecting himself. and you, just like the commentators, completely ignored the fact that after the first punch that dropped fedor for a split second, there were 2 punches that he hit fedor directly to the back of the head with which are illegal and the ref jumps in just as fedor turned around.

here's the fight in it's entirety. it may be pulled soon for copyright since zuffa owns sf now, but anyways, it clearly shows that it was a flash ko, which if you are an mma fan and have been watching and are not retarded, will know that many fighters have been flash ko'd and was able to come back into the fight.

Deliniation between a flash ko and a ko to me seems like splitting hairs. He got hit on the button and for fighter safety, it was stopped. I think it was a justified stoppage. Letting a fight go too long would be a dangerous move for the sport and back to being banned it would go. In that aspect, I'd rather have a fight stopped too early than too late and something bad happens. I think Fedor was attempting to grab Herb Dean as Hendo was running around (shown in other angles besides the one you posted), and as you mention in a later post, Fedor looked wobbly.

the fight gets stopped at about 10:57. The one punch that drops fedor is at 10:55. so about two seconds after the punch herb jumped in but that's when fedor turned around to defend himself and fight back but it was already too late. but right after the first punch, the next 2 are to the back of the head, and i know fedor was hurt from the first punch, but the 2 illegal blows hurt him even more
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I think he stopped it around the same time, but it took hendo a second or 2 to stop hitting (seems to be his usual). The hits to the back of the head were illegal, absolutely, but it's an infraction that often goes unpunished concerning the end of a fight.

i don't think you wanna get into this with me. although you say you are a fedor fan, i usually ignore people who try to downplay fedor's competition, his legacy and his career. to me they are simply trolls, blind biased haters or flat out just don't know what they are talking about.

Get into what? Whether Fedor's competition was on the same level as him? I think it's pretty obvious that it wasn't. There weren't many really good heavyweights at that time, and there was one great one. My comment on his relevance goes to an overall lay of the land. What does a win over Fedor mean now? Not much. Kinda the same as a win over Iceman at the end of his career. I mean... it's just not the same as fighting them in their prime. I am not a troll, a hater, and I do know what I'm talking about. It just happens to be a different opinion than yours. That does not invalidate the opinion.

and about fedor being relevant, we need to clarify
1. he is relevant and always will be a figure and a legend in mma

Can't argue a ~10 year no loss streak. He will always be a legend, no doubt.

2. is he relevant as far as rankings? i would have to say at this point, no. when you first mentioned it, i disagreed, simply because it was too soon to say, and i don't jump on or off bandwagons after 1 or 2 losses to top competition like werdum and giant silva. but now, i would have to say he has fell off the top 10 and i do feel that he has done his part and has nothing left to prove, and should retire

Noooooow you see what I'm saying. I said that Fedor fighting sub par fighters was a way to make himself irrelevant, and when he lost to one of them, it would hurt his status. The loss to Werdum people saw as a fluke, and everyone gets caught. But the Silva fight really showed what I was saying. The reason was he was outweighed by 60lbs. If you lose like that, you just don't carry the same swagger. The loss to Hendo and you're saying he should retire. Now he outweighed Hendo by 16lbs. Was I wrong for seeing this happening a few years back?

My comment about cutting Fedor was clearly a joke. Although, he is at the end of his contract, and I'm not sure he'll sign again.

 

[SumoNinja]

I've always saw what you were saying, i just disagreed on jumping to that conclusion at the time when you stated it. I've always said too that he has lost a step for a while now even before he lost to werdum. way back when he fought mark hunt is when i first noticed, fedor is declining in his abilities

What i didn't agree with was that you had said he hasn't been relevant for years because of the level of competition. That's where I think you were wrong

his more recent fights was against Tim Sylvia, Arlovski, Bret Rogers, was gonna fight Josh Barnett but Josh tested positive for banned substance, Werdum and Bigfoot Silva (i called him Giant Silva but Giant Silva is another fighter, my mistake)

what does all those guys have in common? They were all considered legit top ten ranked fighters at the time when fedor fought them. so that's why I completely disagree with anyone who would argue that he's been fighting lesser competition

and you can make the argument now that he has lost 3 in a row that a win against him wouldn't mean as much, but when werdum and silva beat him, the wins for them are monumental, if you disagree with that, you're gonna need some explaining because that would be complete bs to me

 

[SumoNinja]

I think Fedor was a great fighter, but very much a product of soft competition and even softer matchmaking.

Get into what?

My comment about cutting Fedor was clearly a joke. Although, he is at the end of his contract, and I'm not sure he'll sign again.

get into what? i'm talking about getting into the discussion of what you were saying in the first quote above

if you're going to make that claim like in the first quote above, i wanna see who you think is relevant in the heavyweight division. then we'll get into that

btw, i didn't realize you were joking about cutting fedor. although scott coker has already stated that they want him back. i still say if they bring him back, feed him some cans so he can go out with some wins. otherwise retire. i would be ok with him fighting overeem though, but that won't be happening anymore now that overeem has been cut from strikeforce. maybe fedor can leave sf and they can fight at Dream. but then again, Dream is on the verge of folding as well. oh well

 

[digger]

Overeem has really made some poor decisions. I still believe Fedor NEEDS to change his training to different places with different groups if he plans to keep fighting. Could you imagine the out come of training with Pat Miletich and Greg Jackson?

 

[SumoNinja]

i agree

i think if fedor just took his time more, he's been really sloppy lately and if he just improved his cardio, that would improve all other areas

but at this point, he just may not have that hunger and drive anymore

 

[digger]

He has looked sloppy and out of control lately but you he also seems to desperately looking for a win. With the way he came out in the Hendo fight I believe the hunger is still there he is just scrambling for a quick win and is being reckless.

 

[SumoNinja]

in the fight it looks like that, but i mean the drive and hunger to go thru the training camps and the motivation to want to evolve with mma just doesn't seem like it's all there

reckless is a great word to describe him. he was a lot more accurate even with his style in the past. man, i have some old pride videos and, wow, fedor was just such a beast. he wasn't as pudgy as he is now, he was a lot slimmer and toned and more flexable. his sambo and judo throws were absolutely amazing

 

[digger]

Good call. I still throw a Pride dvd in every now and then to watch a really amazing fight. In all honesty I haven't seen a modern fighter be as captivating as the Pride fighters regardless of how good they are (Jones, Cain, JDS, GSP). The only one that comes to mind is Aldo and even his last performance wasn't that great.

 

[Clay]

Overeem has really made some poor decisions. I still believe Fedor NEEDS to change his training to different places with different groups if he plans to keep fighting. Could you imagine the out come of training with Pat Miletich and Greg Jackson?

He would come out as a LHW.

Good call. I still throw a Pride dvd in every now and then to watch a really amazing fight. In all honesty I haven't seen a modern fighter be as captivating as the Pride fighters regardless of how good they are (Jones, Cain, JDS, GSP). The only one that comes to mind is Aldo and even his last performance wasn't that great.

Jacare is another fun one to watch. That guy is a BEASTLY machine.

 

[SumoNinja]

imagine fedor as a lhw? i think in his prime he was fine as a hw though

i also enjoy watching jacare, i just wanna see him up against better competition.

and about pride fighters. i hear ya digger, there was something about the top pride guys at the time that was very captivating. fedor, nog, crocop, wanderlei, shogun, gomi, igor, and many more. those were some great fighters at the time and they put on some great shows