My 210 FOWLR Turned Reef

[nonstophoops]

So you have one changing? And you are still going to get another fish? I think I would just take credit.

Read on my thread what my new thoughts on PIA might be ha.

Ya, one is changing. I am getting 2 females instead of what would have been 1 male. He is sending it for free, no shipping too, so I am not going to wait. Just get my fish and hopefully be done with it.

I can see some reasoning behind the cyanide thing, but I haven't had problems with them eating and yours ate too. I also killed one male. But I did have 1 male die for no reason and another female die(I assume, haven't seen it in weeks.) The female ate before dying though(which makes it random cause I haven't seen any aggression between wrasses, so for that one to be eating and die is odd. I doubt they are using cyanide out of Hawaii, but I guess its possible. I think your Blue just decide to go rogue for a moment and bam, dead. Which sucks majorly cause that was a sweet fish.

 

[FLESHY]

Ya, one is changing. I am getting 2 females instead of what would have been 1 male. He is sending it for free, no shipping too, so I am not going to wait. Just get my fish and hopefully be done with it.

I can see some reasoning behind the cyanide thing, but I haven't had problems with them eating and yours ate too. I also killed one male. But I did have 1 male die for no reason and another female die(I assume, haven't seen it in weeks.) The female ate before dying though(which makes it random cause I haven't seen any aggression between wrasses, so for that one to be eating and die is odd. I doubt they are using cyanide out of Hawaii, but I guess its possible. I think your Blue just decide to go rogue for a moment and bam, dead. Which sucks majorly cause that was a sweet fish.

Sweet deal getting a couple females for free.

Most cyanide fish are normal to even better than normal eaters to start with. Either they are normal until the day they die, or they just stop eating one day after being previously voracious and die shortly there after. This is what sucks, there is really no way to tell.

The point that was raised to me was that they almost ALWAYS have chevrons...other places get them in, two or three at a time...and this doesnt happen very often. They are getting two or three (at small sizes as well) and it happens every other week.

My original statement was the same as yours, I doubt that would happen in the states...but then the above point was raised to me.

Thanks again, it was a great fish. I am seriously tempted to try another tang...I just dont know what, or how I would do it now.

 

[nonstophoops]

Sweet deal getting a couple females for free.

Most cyanide fish are normal to even better than normal eaters to start with. Either they are normal until the day they die, or they just stop eating one day after being previously voracious and die shortly there after. This is what sucks, there is really no way to tell.

The point that was raised to me was that they almost ALWAYS have chevrons...other places get them in, two or three at a time...and this doesnt happen very often. They are getting two or three (at small sizes as well) and it happens every other week.

My original statement was the same as yours, I doubt that would happen in the states...but then the above point was raised to me.

Thanks again, it was a great fish. I am seriously tempted to try another tang...I just dont know what, or how I would do it now.

I wouldn't say free. I had to pay for the male and the shipping(twice!) and now am getting these to replace the male. So I guess I paid for em lol.


Interesting, I was under the assumption that cyanided fish didn't eat really. Definitely would make it tougher to know because the fish are eating some. I do feel that if it were the case though I wouldn't have a couple females wrasses that made it and are doing quite well. Although, it is possible some would survive.

I see your point about the Chevy's always being in stock, but on the other hand Chevy's all come from his location as opposed to everyone else on the mainland that are getting it from other people(possibly him). If he can sell a high number of Chevy's at cheap retail he will make twice as much money as selling them wholesale( and I have seen his wholesale lists). I also find it tough to believe because he does sell wholesale and wouldn't be getting business that way if he were breaking the law, but who knows. I just think he has a connection with where he is and gets fish from the surrounding islands for cheap and then can undercut the market on price. He does carry a lot of rare stuff for good prices, granted I guess that doesn't mean no poisoning.

I do think that his holding tanks are probably relatively poor quality comparatively and that could be a root of the problem. Obviously that is just my opinion and we won't know for sure if he is indeed using cyanide.

 

[FLESHY]

Its not like QM's collectors dont live in hawaii though...and like I said. They get two or three at a time...and only a couple times a year apparently.

There is no reason that a fish that sells for that much money would be captured that infrequently...this is why myself and others thought something was fishy.

It is possible for fish to survive it, but I think the fact that he is always swapping out stock (there seems to always be an issue with the fish you buy) might be another reason.

 

[nonstophoops]

Its not like QM's collectors dont live in hawaii though...and like I said. They get two or three at a time...and only a couple times a year apparently.

There is no reason that a fish that sells for that much money would be captured that infrequently...this is why myself and others thought something was fishy.

It is possible for fish to survive it, but I think the fact that he is always swapping out stock (there seems to always be an issue with the fish you buy) might be another reason.

Again, this is just my observation on the issue, because I really don't know and am not arguing with you by any means...If the QM collector's are indeed at the source they would have to be able to get more than 10 or so a year. I feel like for how big QM is, they don't get a proportional amount of the rarer more expensive fish(having seen their stock lists and talking to one of their sales guys(I am sure you have done both as well, or more in talking to your brother)). There are obviously way more Chevy's coming into the country and QM just doesn't get a lot of them. I mean that LFS in Appleton has gotten at least 4 in that I have seen in the last year. If all the collectors were only seeing 10 a year, then LFS's would never be able to get them and they would go for a lot lot more money(like black tang range). Like Black Tangs, I think sustainable harvesting comes into play with QM. They only get a couple black tangs in a year and only a dozen chevys because they want to only get that many. It isn't because they can't, imo. Apet in Chicago pretty much always had them in stock too when I was seeing their stocking lists.

I definitely agree with you that something is fishy about this company and how the WYSIWYG seems to go. Maybe I am just giving them the benefit of the doubt, I don't know, in thinking that they do just care and don't want to send unhealthy fish. Or maybe they are being sketchy and selling pictures of stuff they won't send and then give you something else.

It's too bad, cause their prices are so awesome that it would be nice to be able to do more business with them, but I think we both have learned our lesson.

 

[FLESHY]

I definitely agree with you that something is fishy about this company and how the WYSIWYG seems to go. Maybe I am just giving them the benefit of the doubt, I don't know, in thinking that they do just care and don't want to send unhealthy fish. Or maybe they are being sketchy and selling pictures of stuff they won't send and then give you something else.

It's too bad, cause their prices are so awesome that it would be nice to be able to do more business with them, but I think we both have learned our lesson.

You would be surprised. I almost pulled the trigger on the chevy they have right now haha.

If it wouldnt mean going $150 into the hole it already would have been done.

I think I will stay away for the rest of my stocking on this tank however.

+1 on I think they like to advertise the WYSIWYG...and then just send whatever.

Either that or they just got really unlucky with their fish, I feel bad saying this stuff...but I dont lose fish. It just doesnt happen. I was sort of incredulous as I removed the dead chevron.

 

[nonstophoops]

You would be surprised. I almost pulled the trigger on the chevy they have right now haha.

If it wouldnt mean going $150 into the hole it already would have been done.

I think I will stay away for the rest of my stocking on this tank however.

+1 on I think they like to advertise the WYSIWYG...and then just send whatever.

Either that or they just got really unlucky with their fish, I feel bad saying this stuff...but I dont lose fish. It just doesnt happen. I was sort of incredulous as I removed the dead chevron.

Well I am getting my wrasses on Friday if you want me to order the Chevy and you come down and get it lol

What did you mean when you said "descaled" on one side? I thought you meant that he had been "tanged" by ur Blue, but did you mean something different? I figured that if his scales had been pretty much ripped off he obviously died that way and not any other way.

In other news, I lost both of my clowns out of nowhere. They have been perfectly healthy since I got them and then on Sunday night I got home for the weekend and one of them had a bloody looking fin and wasn't eating. The next day he was nowhere to be found and I assume dead and eaten by my hermits. Then on Monday I started to see some slight discoloration on the tail of the other clown. By last night it could hardly swim and this morning I caught it and pulled it out and into a QT tank. This evening he is dead and his tail is fully gone with just bone and red bloodiness left. NO other signs of anything, no aggression, perfect water parameters, etc. I am very confused by this and all my other fish are perfectly healthy. I am pissed...

It seems to me to be quite certain that it was bacterial, but I haven't ever had a fish die from something bacterial and especially from something that is usually caused by poor water quality.

 

[FLESHY]

One side had a large white area on it...coloration was lighter could have just been blotching from...sitting there? I dont know.

Strange and ****ty about the clowns man.

Maybe you should go to fosters next open house and pick up a pair like mine!

 

[mos90]

i like this wrasse.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=117182

 

[FLESHY]

i like this wrasse.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=117182

Haha, random, but...wont eat corals, will eat inverts.

I had my tusk in tank until he decided to eat my pistol shrimp. That really irritated me, and I think that was the reason that I lost my female in my huge tank. She kept trying to find a home on her own and getting scared out of them by other larger fish.