My aquarium set ups /RMAFSw/TDS

[sassyfishwater]

I have to be perfectly honest with you...
If it does exist,
and it DOES work, as or near to what you say it does,
you can bet every DIY man out there will build one better, for cheaper...
That is a fact of life...


I, for one, am just an enthusiastic hobbyist. I have a fair amount of time in the hobby over the 40 some years I been keeping fish.
Started around 10yr old. My Parents thought it would be good for me, and they were right.
I have seen just about everything offered to the hobby, and owned and used a lot of it.
Most of it. I could build myself, to overcome the challenges of repeat business. Something that "planned obsolescence" builds into, MOST of the products we use in this hobby.

If somebody like me can easily reproduce a product like you are developing, then most of it must be readily available already.
I still however, like to see new products trickle into the hobby, it's a good sign that the hobby is still alive and well.

After all is said and done, who do you propose to be your target consumer? The people that havent got any idea that fish they are keeping even need different water Parameters to thrive. The ones with SA/CA/African/Indonesian community tanks that are pretty to look at?
or
responsible fish keepers that know at this very moment there are multi-million dollar aquariums that do not use technology like you are proposing to be developing. Not because of funding, but rather because nothing has existed in the marketplace like you say you have...


And believe me we are the least of your problems...you only have to worry about us calling BS,
it's your investors, and backing, and all those who you are responsible to pay to do the research on the effects of NitrAtes that are so easily removed by weekly water changes...
You know all those people you have to hire to do scientific research on a plethora of species in a plethora of conditions to get results that you are not real sure if they even are effected by the parameters you are trying to adjust?

You know, as I think about it, more and more...something tells me that if you have all this research money laying around to pay for "blood calcium levels in tropical fish studies" (read millions),
and then when you do get a wife and kids, (read no life and kids now),
then you can just hire somebody else to do waterchanges
and interact with your fish,
walk and train your dog,
help the kids with homework,
teach your bird to talk,
teach your cats to use the toilet, and flush etc, etc, etc...

400.00 MSRP vs. multi-million dollar research investment
you'll only have to sell 2.5 million units to break even
hey that's only 41.66 units per registered member here at MFK!!
Not so bad eh??!?

Boy I know if I had millions to throw away on stuff that needs to be invented, forget the waterchanges, they are a good excuse to play with my fish, I blow my research cash on how to keep those freeking weeds from coming back into my yard...that would free up alot more time than w/c's IMO

dawnmarie, I get ya now....Myth=busted, straight up BS,
and you called it right, a couple days ago...~BenO

Well Dawnmerie I will let you in on something.
I gave you a discription of the Nitrogen Cycle, You asked if I was kidding, am I for real. No I was not kidding. That disciption is text book writen by.
THOMAS A GIOVANETTI
AQUATIC CONCULTANT- DAVID SCHLESER
CONSALTING EDITOR - MATHEW M. VRIENDS PhD
Just who do you think I am going to believe you or a Phd.
You proceed on thinking that I am trying to sell the system in here.
BURST YOUR BOOBLE, I am not trying to sell in here (read what I wrote)
When I am talking about aquariums I am talking about mine not yours or someone elses. My aquariums are first hand information that you don't change or twist.
I was looking to futher test the system out side of Mi. and under different tap water peramitors and looking for some people who would do that. This would have come at my expense.
You people think that I am trying to sell to the people of MFK Thats funny. I was just looking for a couple of responsible people who would run the system and give feed back to what they found on the system.
You ask what the system would sell for I said around 400.00 per unit thats what it cost me in parts and a little time and labor. My marketers say 795.00 at the low end.
Ya I do some research on fish, but has nothing to do with the system. You see the system will simulate the water from which the fish came.
The research is how fish respond to different water conditions Metabolicly.
So you see I need to sort people out to now where to go next who to trust who not to trust.
I set here with a book from the USPTO on every filter system for aquariums that has been patented in the US and a few from other countries, shows how they are made and what they do who made them. Searches, a good tool.
I developed this system for the people who don't have the time to maintain and care for an aquarium but would love to have one The hard working person. the sytem gives them a way to have the aquarium without all the work and they can come home and watch there fish without having to do all the work enjoy and admire there tank.
Many people say I would love to have an aquarium but all my fish just keep dieing because they can't contol the water, many people have told me that one. The system gives them the means to have an aquarium and enjoy it and not watch there fish die with in a couple weeks.

 

[epond83]

I think this is your best post yet!

To me it seemed you said, "hey i have these magic beens, cool huh guys?" lol

If you had mentioned you need to further test this system and need some help i think you would have gotten much better response. Also I'm sure a video or more details on the equiment and how it works would be nice so that people know what it they are hooking up to there tanks.

Also are you in Michigan?

 

[sassyfishwater]

I think this is your best post yet!

To me it seemed you said, "hey i have these magic beens, cool huh guys?" lol

If you had mentioned you need to further test this system and need some help i think you would have gotten much better response. Also I'm sure a video or more details on the equiment and how it works would be nice so that people know what it they are hooking up to there tanks.

Also are you in Michigan?

Yes I am looking to further test the system. I have only used the system here in Michigan under bad water conditions. I do know the system works would like to know how much better or worse it works in different places. I just can't come out and say what it is that I am looking for because everybody and there brother no matter who is going to jump. I can't use family or friends due to conflict. They will say what they need to say just to back me. So I look for a level headed exper. open minded person as you see not so easy to find.
No magic beens just the magic in a person to believe.
Yes I do live in Mi. been here for 8 years now before that I lived in NY for 44 years. My wifes family lives here in Mi. and she wants to be by them so moved here.

 

[zennzzo]

Are you serious?
You actually talked to enough people to determine that there is a need for a 795.00 machine that will keep water parameters constant?

You seem to think that knowledge of the nitrogen cycle is only for the elite fishkeeper. It is nothing new and that's what dawnmarie was pointing out.

What I am trying to understand here is that after stating you have spent thousands of dollars to patent. And even more on research science, you are looking for people to test this equipment for free?

This confuses me still:

You ask what the system would sell for I said around 400.00 per unit thats what it cost me in parts and a little time and labor.

Cost to manufacture is no where near what the system would sell for. Was this an oversight?

My marketers say 795.00 at the low end.
Ya I do some research on fish, but has nothing to do with the system. You see the system will simulate the water from which the fish came.

Marketers? you now have marketers? even before you have a product that hasn't been built?
also,
How do you know where a fish comes from? A book? the internet? personal experience?
You do know that there are some fish that originated from slightly acidic water,in Central America, and through breeding and the use conventional filtration, have thrived and reproduced in slightly alkiline water, numerous times.
So that would pretty much tell you that the PH is not as important as stability is...Biofiltration works at many levels of Ph.
People that kill their fish in the first 2 weeks of owning them, just haven't seen the correct information available. There are already liquid products out there that correct "new tank syndrone" at a retail price of 15.00 for 500ml. plenty enough to start a smallish 100g tank...
A 795.00 machine that maintains a stable PH isn't going to keep them from killing anything else, either...

That about takes care of this set of statements, I'm looking forward to the next set...~BenO
By the way it's "Bust your Bubble" not "Burst your Booble"
boobles are smalish boobs and even though they are small you shouldn't be bursting them...
~BenO

 

[dawnmarie]

Well Dawnmerie I will let you in on something.
I gave you a discription of the Nitrogen Cycle, You asked if I was kidding, am I for real. No I was not kidding. That disciption is text book writen by.
THOMAS A GIOVANETTI
AQUATIC CONCULTANT- DAVID SCHLESER
CONSALTING EDITOR - MATHEW M. VRIENDS PhD
Just who do you think I am going to believe you or a Phd.
You proceed on thinking that I am trying to sell the system in here.
BURST YOUR BOOBLE, I am not trying to sell in here (read what I wrote)
When I am talking about aquariums I am talking about mine not yours or someone elses. My aquariums are first hand information that you don't change or twist.
I was looking to futher test the system out side of Mi. and under different tap water peramitors and looking for some people who would do that. This would have come at my expense.
You people think that I am trying to sell to the people of MFK Thats funny. I was just looking for a couple of responsible people who would run the system and give feed back to what they found on the system.
You ask what the system would sell for I said around 400.00 per unit thats what it cost me in parts and a little time and labor. My marketers say 795.00 at the low end.
Ya I do some research on fish, but has nothing to do with the system. You see the system will simulate the water from which the fish came.
The research is how fish respond to different water conditions Metabolicly.
So you see I need to sort people out to now where to go next who to trust who not to trust.
I set here with a book from the USPTO on every filter system for aquariums that has been patented in the US and a few from other countries, shows how they are made and what they do who made them. Searches, a good tool.
I developed this system for the people who don't have the time to maintain and care for an aquarium but would love to have one The hard working person. the sytem gives them a way to have the aquarium without all the work and they can come home and watch there fish without having to do all the work enjoy and admire there tank.
Many people say I would love to have an aquarium but all my fish just keep dieing because they can't contol the water, many people have told me that one. The system gives them the means to have an aquarium and enjoy it and not watch there fish die with in a couple weeks.

Well Dawnmerie I will let you in on something.
I gave you a discription of the Nitrogen Cycle, You asked if I was kidding, am I for real. No I was not kidding. That disciption is text book writen by.
THOMAS A GIOVANETTI
AQUATIC CONCULTANT- DAVID SCHLESER
CONSALTING EDITOR - MATHEW M. VRIENDS PhD
Just who do you think I am going to believe you or a Phd.

The funny thing is I never once in any way, shape or form, asked you about the Nitrogen Cycle. You offerred it up as a Non-answer to a question posed and I called you out on it.

You people think that I am trying to sell to the people of MFK Thats funny.

I was just looking for a couple of responsible people who would run the system and give feed back to what they found on the system.

You should have started with this instead of giving us such a runaround.

So you see I need to sort people out to now where to go next who to trust who not to trust.

Note to self : Try new approach.

 

[sassyfishwater]

Are you serious?
You actually talked to enough people to determine that there is a need for a 795.00 machine that will keep water parameters constant?

You seem to think that knowledge of the nitrogen cycle is only for the elite fishkeeper. It is nothing new and that's what dawnmarie was pointing out.

What I am trying to understand here is that after stating you have spent thousands of dollars to patent. And even more on research science, you are looking for people to test this equipment for free?

This confuses me still:
Cost to manufacture is no where near what the system would sell for. Was this an oversight?
Marketers? you now have marketers? even before you have a product that hasn't been built?
also,
How do you know where a fish comes from? A book? the internet? personal experience?
You do know that there are some fish that originated from slightly acidic water,in Central America, and through breeding and the use conventional filtration, have thrived and reproduced in slightly alkiline water, numerous times.
So that would pretty much tell you that the PH is not as important as stability is...Biofiltration works at many levels of Ph.
People that kill their fish in the first 2 weeks of owning them, just haven't seen the correct information available. There are already liquid products out there that correct "new tank syndrone" at a retail price of 15.00 for 500ml. plenty enough to start a smallish 100g tank...
A 795.00 machine that maintains a stable PH isn't going to keep them from killing anything else, either...

That about takes care of this set of statements, I'm looking forward to the next set...~BenO
By the way it's "Bust your Bubble" not "Burst your Booble"
boobles are smalish boobs and even though they are small you shouldn't be bursting them...
~BenO

Let me unconfuse you.
The marketers are paid to tell me what I think I might want to here did I listen no I said 400.00. The marketers sell the Marketing and manufacturing rights to the system.
Nitragin I could care less about don't have a problem with it in my aquariums.
Like others you fall to read what I wrote never said free. I SAID AT MY EXPENSE. I would appreciate it if you would not try to put words into my mouth like free.
How do you Know what it cost to manufacture the system? The cost to engineer and make the molds. 25 units with the molds is 100.000 dollars thats the initial price just to start.
When I first started the patent I hired the patent lawyer and marketers all in one shot and paid them. The marketing ferm is Ad-gen out of PA. The patent is Invent LLC. out of PA.
The research I do is my own personal busness this I do and have done because I want to and that information may-be one day I will be able to share.
I have delt with fish since 1973 I have been to South America (Brazil)
and one or two others in the service. (Army)
Now I will tell you what my system does.
You are correct when you say pH does not mater stability does and that is what my system does stabilize the aquarium without the aid of chemicals. The system controls the carbonate and bicarbonate level of the water that is used in the aquarium (the difference between hard and soft water and the system holds it stable). Keeps ammonia, nitrite and nitrate from effecting the fish without adding chemicals to the aquarium. Keeps aquarium water clean, clear and stable no mater what pH level you are running. Keeps mineral and calcium from building in on and around the aquarium. Keeps algae from becoming a unsightly appearance. The system monitors the TDS of the water so you know where it is at all times.
Here where I live if it was not for the system I could not keep fish the water will not alloow for it all they do is wnd up dieing and I tryed everything. This water is so unstable it not funny.
The system as of march 2010 is in Texas and doing well but not out in the retail world yet.
Since 1973 I have raised, breed and sold many fish it really is a nice little hoobie and is the second leading hobbie in the world. During that time I have had many different species of fish and used many different things to deal with them.

 

[dawnmarie]

Let me unconfuse you.
The marketers are paid to tell me what I think I might want to here did I listen no I said 400.00. The marketers sell the Marketing and manufacturing rights to the system.
Nitragin I could care less about don't have a problem with it in my aquariums.
Like others you fall to read what I wrote never said free. I SAID AT MY EXPENSE. I would appreciate it if you would not try to put words into my mouth like free.
How do you Know what it cost to manufacture the system? The cost to engineer and make the molds. 25 units with the molds is 100.000 dollars thats the initial price just to start.
When I first started the patent I hired the patent lawyer and marketers all in one shot and paid them. The marketing ferm is Ad-gen out of PA. The patent is Invent LLC. out of PA.
The research I do is my own personal busness this I do and have done because I want to and that information may-be one day I will be able to share.
I have delt with fish since 1973 I have been to South America (Brazil)
and one or two others in the service. (Army)
Now I will tell you what my system does.
You are correct when you say pH does not mater stability does and that is what my system does stabilize the aquarium without the aid of chemicals. The system controls the carbonate and bicarbonate level of the water that is used in the aquarium (the difference between hard and soft water and the system holds it stable). Keeps ammonia, nitrite and nitrate from effecting the fish without adding chemicals to the aquarium. Keeps aquarium water clean, clear and stable no mater what pH level you are running. Keeps mineral and calcium from building in on and around the aquarium. Keeps algae from becoming a unsightly appearance. The system monitors the TDS of the water so you know where it is at all times.
Here where I live if it was not for the system I could not keep fish the water will not alloow for it all they do is wnd up dieing and I tryed everything. This water is so unstable it not funny.
The system as of march 2010 is in Texas and doing well but not out in the retail world yet.
Since 1973 I have raised, breed and sold many fish it really is a nice little hoobie and is the second leading hobbie in the world. During that time I have had many different species of fish and used many different things to deal with them.

I damn near feel sorry for you.

 

[zennzzo]

Let me unconfuse you.
The marketers are paid to tell me what I think I might want to here did I listen no I said 400.00. The marketers sell the Marketing and manufacturing rights to the system.
Nitragin I could care less about don't have a problem with it in my aquariums.
Like others you fall to read what I wrote never said free. I SAID AT MY EXPENSE. I would appreciate it if you would not try to put words into my mouth like free.
How do you Know what it cost to manufacture the system? The cost to engineer and make the molds. 25 units with the molds is 100.000 dollars thats the initial price just to start.
When I first started the patent I hired the patent lawyer and marketers all in one shot and paid them. The marketing ferm is Ad-gen out of PA. The patent is Invent LLC. out of PA.
The research I do is my own personal busness this I do and have done because I want to and that information may-be one day I will be able to share.
I have delt with fish since 1973 I have been to South America (Brazil)
and one or two others in the service. (Army)
Now I will tell you what my system does.
You are correct when you say pH does not mater stability does and that is what my system does stabilize the aquarium without the aid of chemicals. The system controls the carbonate and bicarbonate level of the water that is used in the aquarium (the difference between hard and soft water and the system holds it stable). Keeps ammonia, nitrite and nitrate from effecting the fish without adding chemicals to the aquarium. Keeps aquarium water clean, clear and stable no mater what pH level you are running. Keeps mineral and calcium from building in on and around the aquarium. Keeps algae from becoming a unsightly appearance. The system monitors the TDS of the water so you know where it is at all times.
Here where I live if it was not for the system I could not keep fish the water will not alloow for it all they do is wnd up dieing and I tryed everything. This water is so unstable it not funny.
The system as of march 2010 is in Texas and doing well but not out in the retail world yet.
Since 1973 I have raised, breed and sold many fish it really is a nice little hoobie and is the second leading hobbie in the world. During that time I have had many different species of fish and used many different things to deal with them.

Wow I am more confused now....
why such atrocious spelling for a kid who can spend 100,000 to engineer molds for a product and has started patent search, for a machine that is in texas and doing well?
One last question for you, from me...do you feel like you need a shovel right about now?

 

[dawnmarie]

Hai! I'm the "real" Dawnmarie. Chris's wife. This hole has been dug so deep that a relief well is needed. You folks here are much more forgiving than some of the blogs I frequent. Sassyfishwater would have been banned as a troll long ago. But perhaps it is quite entertaining to watch the fish present itself to the bigger fish and then watch it be consumed as part of the natural cycle eh? Rock on. I have no issue with that. This thread has been quite entertaining and enlightening. Cool community you have here! As a little background info - I signed up for the account and then realized that it's way too mechanical for me. Chris (the mechanical one) jumped all over it when I showed him. heehee - the rest is history!

 

[dawnmarie]

The marketers are paid to tell me what I think I might want to here did I listen no I said 400.00. The marketers sell the Marketing and manufacturing rights to the system. ...... yadda, yadda, yadda....

I can't let this go. Really. Hai again - the real "dawnmarie" here. Sassyfishwaterdude - have you gone to the Sharron Angle school of media?

"The marketers are paid to tell me what I think I might want to here" (ahem... it's ..hear dude. like in I hear you. -vs- I am here in the park today. ya, I know.. english sucks.).

Repeat the sentence to yourself slowly over and over and over again until you get it. Here let me help ... You pay them to tell you what you want to hear.

One more time... You pay them to tell you what you want to hear.

How much are you paying them? I swear I'll do the same for less money. I'll guarantee you right now, I'll cut their fee by 50% and STILL tell you what you want to hear! Money Back Guarantee!!