My aquarium set ups /RMAFSw/TDS

[Fish Eat Fish]

how about we see this thing or something? Why make a post about a device you will not reveal.

"hey look at this box...it has the most amazing thing in the world inside" - says the man with an empty box

 

[Fish Eat Fish]

Am I reading this right ? The only way Nitrate can accumulate in an aquarium is because the Bio filter is not correctly maintained ? This I gotta see.

technically this could be a true statement as nitrate can be further processed with the correct bio filter setup.

but standard bio filters will not

 

[pengu13]

Can't wait to see this in action, sounds like a great idea. not sure if i missed this in the thread but you say around 400$ for retail but what would be the maintenance coast of this thing like in a cents per gallon kinda deal or dose this have replacement filters and media?

 

[dawnmarie]

technically this could be a true statement as nitrate can be further processed with the correct bio filter setup.

but standard bio filters will not

You could very well be correct,however, Sassyfishwater's quote addresses Bio filter maintenance not design. Someone would have to show me how the "method" by which I "maintain" my Biological Filter could assist in lowering Nitrate levels.
This is the only way I could accept his statement as technically correct.

 

[sassyfishwater]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmoregulation
Not sure how you're testing metabolic rate.

Just curious how you are testing any of these parameters, but REALLY interested in "blood calcium level"

These tests are being done in a lab over a period of time, how water effect tropical fish at different carbonate and bicarbonate levels. How the fish respond osmoicly and metabolicly to the aquarium environment. These test are not done overnight and involves a lot of time. Fish have a tolorence level (a window) to the water condition that it is in, anything outside that window effects osmotic and metabolics of the fish.
Fish have a salt content which controls osmoregulation the body salt of the fish must remain higher than the surrounding water. Osmotic pressure effects the fish in 3 ways, Hypertonic where the red blood cell expell water and take none in and causes the red blood cell to shrink. Isotonic, where the red blood cell which allows water to pass in and out of the red blood cell, Hypotonic, is where water only pass into the red blood sell causing the red blood cell to swell. By disrupting the osmoic pressure effects the metabolic rate (metabolic is the DNA make up) cell structure, turns food to energy, and growth. I am looking for that window that best suits the aquatics so I know what water perimeter to maintain the fish with least amount of trouble. Blood calcium levels will be done at the lab at the University. Blood calcium levels is what creates a stress level of aquatics and the first sign that the perimeters of the water are wrong.

 

[sassyfishwater]

technically this could be a true statement as nitrate can be further processed with the correct bio filter setup.

but standard bio filters will not

Dawnmarie you must be a blonde, If you are going to quote someone use what they said and not what you think they said ! you are reading into what is said and putting your own words to it to suit you. WRONG
Read what is there and don't allow your imagination to do the work.
I said that my system does not allow for nitrate to rise the only way it will rise is a badly maintained bio filter. (in which case allow nitrate to re-enter the aquarium at a higher rate from the bio filter). ps, bio stands for biological that should be a clue.
So from here I will say good-by to you and wish you the best of luck.

 

[epond83]

I think you need to watch your attitude, he was trying to help. Do you spend much time on forums? We are all here to help each other and better the way we care for our pets. There are some very smart people on this site who have a good grasp on the nitrogen cycle as it works in our tanks, and a more complete cycle with an anaerobic stage.
Also if this product does what it is said to do: well, safe, and for a reasonable cost; you could stand to make some money from people here.
I think we are all tired of hearing about this devise vaguely, and want to either no more about how it does this filter do what it does; not to the point to duplicate but just understand the science of it. You say you are making a video, that is great! When do you think it will be posted to view?

 

[zennzzo]

 

[dawnmarie]

Here is your direct quote :

Nitrate is a product of the biological filtration process, and it tends to build up in aquarium water over time. This is where my system comes in keeping that build up from occuring and the only way it can build is a badly maintained Bio filter.

You were not missquoted friend and you might want to rein in the testosterone just a bit.
I'm not a blonde , but I did stay at a Motel 6 last night.
Personal attacks have no place in this forum and are the weapon of the weak of mind when backed into a corner.

Sooo....Here's the punch line to your joke.
Your device will control/eliminate Nitrate UNLESS you have ,and once again I quote, "a badly maintained Bio filter".
You didn't by chance mean a Mech. Filter ?
Oh Yeah Mech. = Mechanical.

I guess the best we can hope for is to wait for the video,
because your words are ringing hollow and your pitch is a No Sale.

 

[zennzzo]

Here is your direct quote :
You were not missquoted friend and you might want to rein in the testosterone just a bit.
I'm not a blonde , but I did stay at a Motel 6 last night.
Personal attacks have no place in this forum and are the weapon of the weak of mind when backed into a corner.

Sooo....Here's the punch line to your joke.
Your device will control/eliminate Nitrate UNLESS you have ,and once again I quote, "a badly maintained Bio filter".
You didn't by chance mean a Mech. Filter ?
Oh Yeah Mech. = Mechanical.

I guess the best we can hope for is to wait for the video,
because your words are ringing hollow and your pitch is a No Sale.

I have to be perfectly honest with you...
If it does exist,
and it DOES work, as or near to what you say it does,
you can bet every DIY man out there will build one better, for cheaper...
That is a fact of life...


I, for one, am just an enthusiastic hobbyist. I have a fair amount of time in the hobby over the 40 some years I been keeping fish.
Started around 10yr old. My Parents thought it would be good for me, and they were right.
I have seen just about everything offered to the hobby, and owned and used a lot of it.
Most of it. I could build myself, to overcome the challenges of repeat business. Something that "planned obsolescence" builds into, MOST of the products we use in this hobby.

If somebody like me can easily reproduce a product like you are developing, then most of it must be readily available already.
I still however, like to see new products trickle into the hobby, it's a good sign that the hobby is still alive and well.

After all is said and done, who do you propose to be your target consumer? The people that havent got any idea that fish they are keeping even need different water Parameters to thrive. The ones with SA/CA/African/Indonesian community tanks that are pretty to look at?
or
responsible fish keepers that know at this very moment there are multi-million dollar aquariums that do not use technology like you are proposing to be developing. Not because of funding, but rather because nothing has existed in the marketplace like you say you have...


And believe me we are the least of your problems...you only have to worry about us calling BS,
it's your investors, and backing, and all those who you are responsible to pay to do the research on the effects of NitrAtes that are so easily removed by weekly water changes...
You know all those people you have to hire to do scientific research on a plethora of species in a plethora of conditions to get results that you are not real sure if they even are effected by the parameters you are trying to adjust?

You know, as I think about it, more and more...something tells me that if you have all this research money laying around to pay for "blood calcium levels in tropical fish studies" (read millions),
and then when you do get a wife and kids, (read no life and kids now),
then you can just hire somebody else to do waterchanges
and interact with your fish,
walk and train your dog,
help the kids with homework,
teach your bird to talk,
teach your cats to use the toilet, and flush etc, etc, etc...

400.00 MSRP vs. multi-million dollar research investment
you'll only have to sell 2.5 million units to break even
hey that's only 41.66 units per registered member here at MFK!!
Not so bad eh??!?

Boy I know if I had millions to throw away on stuff that needs to be invented, forget the waterchanges, they are a good excuse to play with my fish, I blow my research cash on how to keep those freeking weeds from coming back into my yard...that would free up alot more time than w/c's IMO

dawnmarie, I get ya now....Myth=busted, straight up BS,
and you called it right, a couple days ago...~BenO