My gars feeder guppys have babies,lol!

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Im not going over every thing i have already said in my other threads about my gar,simple answers;

1.The vet is not one of the usual lot,hes very knowledgable,and knew a great deal about the gar(i was very impressed)
2.I cant recall the name of the antibiotics but can find out,but,he did pick up a lot and looks very healthy.
3.This has not just happened,hes always been like it!
4.My water is excellent.
5.The only thing in with him is a ancistrus,and its planted.
6.The tank is not his problem,because if i put bloodworm in he munches it all down BUT thats all he will eat,so he hasnt grown much,i tried starving him and it didnt work,he just didnt eat anything,so i thought id try live as a last resort,to try and kickstart some growth,but obviously that didnt work either.
channarox said
why not just get him off live...
thats how they hunt in the wild,they get themselves into position and snag fish that swim by...
This is my point he gets into position too slowly and they just swim off and doesnt eat any!
7.He was bullied for about a week when the tiny skinny 4" ornate nipped him,as soon as i saw it happen i put him in his own tank,and hes been in there since,but before when he was in the other tank on his own he was still like it and always has been it has got nothing to do with the tank or bullying as hes been in there for months with just the guppys and il say it again,his water is perfect,if you care to read my other posts on the subject you will know this has been going on for quite a while,and hes had plenty of time to recover from the week of bullying,and if the water was bad wouldnt the plec show signs or the guppys be so healthy and have babies?
Ive talked to brook lamprey(polypterus) about him and he didnt blame the tank or tankmates.

Most of the above ive said over and over again in my other threads and if anyone else comes and posts something like,hes not going to grow if you just feed him bloodworms is he,why dont you try feeding him something else,I already have!!!!

If the mods want to close this thread please do.

cheers steve
 
spwd;2552442; said:
Im not going over every thing i have already said in my other threads about my gar,simple answers;

1.The vet is not one of the usual lot,hes very knowledgable,and knew a great deal about the gar(i was very impressed)
2.I cant recall the name of the antibiotics but can find out,but,he did pick up a lot and looks very healthy.
3.This has not just happened,hes always been like it!
4.My water is excellent.
5.The only thing in with him is a ancistrus,and its planted.
6.The tank is not his problem,because if i put bloodworm in he munches it all down BUT thats all he will eat,so he hasnt grown much,i tried starving him and it didnt work,he just didnt eat anything,so i thought id try live as a last resort,to try and kickstart some growth,but obviously that didnt work either.
channarox said
why not just get him off live...
thats how they hunt in the wild,they get themselves into position and snag fish that swim by...
This is my point he gets into position too slowly and they just swim off and doesnt eat any!
7.He was bullied for about a week when the tiny skinny 4" ornate nipped him,as soon as i saw it happen i put him in his own tank,and hes been in there since,but before when he was in the other tank on his own he was still like it and always has been it has got nothing to do with the tank or bullying as hes been in there for months with just the guppys and il say it again,his water is perfect,if you care to read my other posts on the subject you will know this has been going on for quite a while,and hes had plenty of time to recover from the week of bullying,and if the water was bad wouldnt the plec show signs or the guppys be so healthy and have babies?

plec=pleco?? ps guppies can have babies in any crap water...
Ive talked to brook lamprey(polypterus) about him and he didnt blame the tank or tankmates.

Most of the above ive said over and over again in my other threads and if anyone else comes and posts something like,hes not going to grow if you just feed him bloodworms is he,why dont you try feeding him something else,I already have!!!!

If the mods want to close this thread please do.

cheers steve
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that makes no sense, but i dont remember any history of this gar, but if poly says it fine then it's fine i guess
 
i don't believe richard dismissed the tank/water parameters as a possibility...what are your parameters exactly? ammonia, nitrite, nitrate? one can say they 'have perfect water' all they want, but it's the actual values from the tests that mean something.

also, what is your pH? there is no way a healthy gar should be only 8.75" at the end of over two years. the gar is definitely stunted, but that is related to feeding at earlier stages...which again can be related to water parameters, etc.

how often do you change the water in the tank?

also, the pleco is not a good tankmate for the gar. period.

if the gar wasn't fit in the wild it would be eaten, but this does not sound like a fitness issue...this sounds like a husbandry issue. i would suggest that if you can't properly house the gar (you had mentioned you have nowhere to put it) then just give it back to the pet store.

i'm also curious as to what your vet knew about gar...if they were very knowledgeable about them they likely would not have prescribed any antibiotics for the fish, although without knowing what the antibios were (still like to know that) it's hard to say. --
--solomon
 
E_americanus;2552616; said:
i don't believe richard dismissed the tank/water parameters as a possibility...what are your parameters exactly? ammonia, nitrite, nitrate? one can say they 'have perfect water' all they want, but it's the actual values from the tests that mean something.

also, what is your pH? there is no way a healthy gar should be only 8.75" at the end of over two years. the gar is definitely stunted, but that is related to feeding at earlier stages...which again can be related to water parameters, etc.

how often do you change the water in the tank?

also, the pleco is not a good tankmate for the gar. period.

if the gar wasn't fit in the wild it would be eaten, but this does not sound like a fitness issue...this sounds like a husbandry issue. i would suggest that if you can't properly house the gar (you had mentioned you have nowhere to put it) then just give it back to the pet store.

i'm also curious as to what your vet knew about gar...if they were very knowledgeable about them they likely would not have prescribed any antibiotics for the fish, although without knowing what the antibios were (still like to know that) it's hard to say. --
--solomon
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A fluoroquinolone antibiotic.. Marbocyl.. Personally not something I would consider using for a gar and in conversation expressed concern on that. This type of antibiotic is known to cause issues with cartilage and calcium / phosphorus intake in some animals particularly in the developing stage. I would be wary of it's use without further controlled testing in a large sample of fish across age classes.

This treatment appeared to have fixed ONE of the fishes problems which was likely an intestinal disruption. (The good ol' Lower intestinal bloating caused by impaction and associated infection, Blood worms as a the only diet could very well be the cause of this)

As I said to you before Spwd.. Fix this and then lets look at other specific issues. I don't think we got to the other issues yet that Solomon mentions above, specifically the water quality issues and then on to the feeding and diet. I did not yet dismiss tank and tankmate issues. This was the next step in this problem that would require attention if this issue was not fixed with the earlier treatment.

Pleco's are always a NO with gar...
 
Right then.for all you people who are either not listening or are just picking up on what you want to this is my reply,the 3" bristlenose has been in his tank for two weeks!
Xander i know guppys will spawn anywhere anytime!
You said it makes no sense,what doesnt?his growth?i know!!!!!
Whos richard?
As for the water i could tell you anything i like so as long as i know the water is good it doesnt matter what i post but fyi the ph is 7.3 the amm is under.5mg/l the nitrate is0.8 and the nitrite is 000000000000000
As for it being a husbandry problem that really gets on my txxs,ive kept discus for 12 years and for the last year weve got two breeding pairs in the 4.5 ft tank who lay eggs to wriggler and free swimming stage every two to 3 weeks between them,only to be eaten by the rest in the comm tank,ive got an rtg who has gone from 17 inch to 19.5 inch in six months and as for my polys,they are just growing beyond comprhension!!!
So what you are saying is i can look after over a £1000 pounds worth of fish in the discus tank and more in my rtg dat and 5 8" daemon fish tank and the £100 plus poly tank but i dont know what im doing with my gar!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the vet ,the reason he prescribed this certain anti biotic is because the one brook advised me to treat him with,the vet said it would be rendered useless,if the water was 7ph or above!
And ive never said he was bloated,i just said he swam like he had a bubble of air in his rear ebd which kept his ass in the air!!
And today i have learned that another member on here has had the same trouble with his gars not growing as i have,but im not sure he bought them at the same time but they are from the same place and another member bought hers from the same place and batch and hers are only 12 inches,which is better than mine but not brilliant,and this is all from an lfs who has won best shop in the country for the 300th year running,voted by the public,hes in with the polys now,il see how he gets on!

Thanks for your info and input everyone.

cheers steve
 
spwd;2553996; said:
Right then.for all you people who are either not listening or are just picking up on what you want to this is my reply,the 3" bristlenose has been in his tank for two weeks!
Xander i know guppys will spawn anywhere anytime!
You said it makes no sense,what doesnt?his growth?i know!!!!!
Whos richard?
As for the water i could tell you anything i like so as long as i know the water is good it doesnt matter what i post but fyi the ph is 7.3 the amm is under.5mg/l the nitrate is0.8 and the nitrite is 000000000000000
As for it being a husbandry problem that really gets on my txxs,ive kept discus for 12 years and for the last year weve got two breeding pairs in the 4.5 ft tank who lay eggs to wriggler and free swimming stage every two to 3 weeks between them,only to be eaten by the rest in the comm tank,ive got an rtg who has gone from 17 inch to 19.5 inch in six months and as for my polys,they are just growing beyond comprhension!!!
So what you are saying is i can look after over a £1000 pounds worth of fish in the discus tank and more in my rtg dat and 5 8" daemon fish tank and the £100 plus poly tank but i dont know what im doing with my gar!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the vet ,the reason he prescribed this certain anti biotic is because the one brook advised me to treat him with,the vet said it would be rendered useless,if the water was 7ph or above!
And ive never said he was bloated,i just said he swam like he had a bubble of air in his rear ebd which kept his ass in the air!!
And today i have learned that another member on here has had the same trouble with his gars not growing as i have,but im not sure he bought them at the same time but they are from the same place and another member bought hers from the same place and batch and hers are only 12 inches,which is better than mine but not brilliant,and this is all from an lfs who has won best shop in the country for the 300th year running,voted by the public,hes in with the polys now,il see how he gets on!

Thanks for your info and input everyone.

cheers steve
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first off, dude, you seriously need to chill out. people are not here to get you and it's annoying to read these rants.

furthermore, richard = brooklamprey/polypterus...hope that clears that up.

and not for bullet points:

- i don't know what you're supposed to be explaining to us in providing the duration of the bristlenose being in the tank with the gar...3 weeks means nothing in terms of pleco/gar interactions. if you are so experienced you would know this...OR if you have read anything about gar-keeping on any of the forums you would know this. gar and pleco combos are a BAD idea...and it doesn't always present right away, but the risk is so high it's not worth it.

- who cares if you can keep discus...in many cases being able to keep one type of fish at an expert level doesn't automatically mean you can keep another fish at an expert level. it helps, but it's not directly transitive. i have kept gars and primitive fishes for years, but i would never use that to say i can keep discus, breed killies, or propagate hard corals. these things are just not directly comparable.

- you have SOME level of an ammonia reading. this is supposed to be ZERO. 0.5mg/L is actually a serious amount of ammotox and likely is harming your fish and disrupting its appetite. ammonia needs to be ZERO. nitrates don't really matter as much. basic. water. quality.

until you fix these basic issues and read up a bit more on gar-keeping, please don't go off on people who are trying to help you. good luck--
--solomon

PS -- very impressive that your pet shop has been 'best shop' for 300 years...
 
Thanks for your reply e but what people were saying was basic stuff about fish keeping,i agree totally that it doesnt transfer straight to another species,what i was trying to say was discus are hard to keep for alot of people and the posts i was reading were putting me down on the basics,which if you keep discus you cannot rely on the basics.

As for the bristlenose or anything else,if i mention anything people jump on the last sentence they read and its all because of that!

I know for a fact that you and richard of many names are very knowledgeable in this species but what im trying to say is im not a noobie when it comes to fish,and as for the plec ive seen countless tanks on here with plecs and gars,but he wont be in with a plec for very long,..

Its just that everyone is ignoring the fact that he or them must be of a dodgy batch as everyone who bought one at roughly the same time has not experienced the growth we all expected.
and sorry for the rant its just that ive spent a lot of money buying the little chap and trying to make him grow.

Thanks everyone for your input.

cheers steve
 
Not just yet my friend, lol
Yes there is a little ammonia today but there was not any last week or the week before,its probably because ive not done a water change for two days!Im slacking a bit.
As for the shop,i was making the point that the shop has been voted best in the country for the last 5 or 6 years,possibly more!
Again thanks everyone for your input.
Mods please close this thread,

Cheers steve
 
Not just yet my friend, lol
Yes there is a little ammonia today but there was not any last week or the week before,its probably because ive not done a water change for two days!Im slacking a bit.
As for the shop,i was making the point that the shop has been voted best in the country for the last 5 or 6 years,possibly more!
Again thanks everyone for your input.
Mods please close this thread,

Cheers steve
 
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