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Norcali, if you check his book on page 142 those pale bodied fish, which he then called sp. 'Conkel," look like what he is now listing as Catemaco. The piebalds that have been around for a while too are being listed as Red Fever Piebalds or something similar.

My LFS which is supplied by him used to call both types "sp. Conkelii -- Pink Fenestratus" for years. Most of the time they only had the paler variety that can be seen in Don's book. Very recently they switched to "Catemaco" to describe the paler fish and use "Conkelii" as a species name and Piebald Fenestratus as the same fish's common name.

I've heard a couple explained as natural hybrids. That would make sense with sp. 'Ebano' (page 108) which I seem to recall was a carp/lab hybrid in an area which is very well known to have naturally occurring hybrids.

At the same time, I've heard that sp. 'Dartsi' is a dovii/salvini hybrid which be virtue of their natural ranges would NOT be a naturally occurring hybrid.

It would be great if we could get a separate thread going (and stop derailing our friend's thread), but I see two issues with doing so. Firstly, I fear such a thread would be perceived as having ulterior motives, and secondly I can almost guarantee it'll degenerate into a bunch of speculation and flame-throwing.

NO WAY I'm starting THAT thread!
 
Also regarding the fene types, check page 49. There's a stringer of fish caught in Catemaco which clearly shows all of the varieties being present along side each other. It's actually one of my favorite photos in the entire book!
 
Those regani are stunning, great score! :drool:
 
As of this evening all of the fish are doing well. Still not eating much but I have found that rather common when moving large adult fish. It usually takes close to a week for them to fully settle in.

The Catemaco are most likely going to have fry soon. The male is courting the white and black speckled female. I assume these fish to be what is considered Fenestratus just collected at Catemaco. I'll ask Don at first chance though and relay what he says back to anyone interested.

What is the name of the book you guys are talking about?
 
jgentry;3936308; said:
As of this evening all of the fish are doing well. Still not eating much but I have found that rather common when moving large adult fish. It usually takes close to a week for them to fully settle in.

The Catemaco are most likely going to have fry soon. The male is courting the white and black speckled female. I assume these fish to be what is considered Fenestratus just collected at Catemaco. I'll ask Don at first chance though and relay what he says back to anyone interested.

What is the name of the book you guys are talking about?


The pink fene (or pie or Cat) is ONLY found in Catemaco, so that is why that name makes sense even while all the others do too!

The book is the unfortunately redundantly named "Cichlids of North & Central America" (Conkel 1993).
 
Modest_Man;3936807; said:
I used to drool over that book back in the day when I worked at an LFS.


I always hated how the colorplate pages stuck together! Loved the maps and collection photos though.

My "drool book" was Loiselle's "The Cichlid Aquarium." That's THE book for cichlid keepers still today IMO. Ad Konings book is good too (the new one).
 
Modest_Man;3936807; said:
I used to drool over that book back in the day when I worked at an LFS.


Same here! I spent many a lunch break in back eating while reading through that book.
 
my catemaco's from don show no aggression at all towards each other,and just do alittle chassing of the other tankmates,but does no damage at all . I have had them over a month now and still no problems with aggression. They ar the most mellow ca's i ever had my pearsi's show more aggression than they do.Which ones did you get looks like the gold flake catemaco. Great fish
 
darth pike;3936923; said:
Same here! I spent many a lunch break in back eating while reading through that book.

Luckily I have 2 copies of the book. I wonder how much they're worth being they've been out of print for forever.
 
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