Northfin food

[Grinch]

I was curious what the detection limits were on this test... 0.5 - 300ppm. So 0.5ppm is the lowest level that the LC method is capable of measuring. The same test was conducted by Midwest Labs and Maxxam.... I don't see the method listed by Barrow-Agee.

www.eoma.aoac.org/web%20guide%20to%20method%20format.pdf

 

[davao]

Any dishonest manufacturer can test their own food to get the results they wanted. Solution is simple, make a small batch of EQ free food and have it tested. Of course the out come is predictable. Remember, the other 2 tests posted clearly indicate “sealed &un-open original package”. Who do you believe? manufacturer? or the the third party? We are talking about the products on the market, not an in-house product that can easily manipulate by the manufacturer.

To covered one lie on top of another is not a good way to go. I can predict if you tested Northfin products out on the the market today, you will surely find EQ in the food. It might not be at such high level.

If you agreed with picaso calculation"If you use your math, EQ should not be an issue. Let’s assume marine protein in the pre-manufacturing has 200 ppm ( above regulation requirement ). If the manufacturer uses 1,000 pounds of marine protein and another 1,000 pound of other material such as flour, seaweed, garlic….etc. Assuming they do not add more EQ on their end, the EQ level should be 100 ppm”.

It might be under 100 ppm, But EQ will be in there. This reminds me of the watergate cover up to a lesser degree.

“You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” Abraham Lincoln

 

[Grinch]

It might be under 100 ppm, But EQ will be in there. This reminds me of the watergate cover up to a lesser degree.

“You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” Abraham Lincoln

Let's not get carried away LOL

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating" - somebody I don't remember off-hand

All of our fish of an appropriate size will eat Northfin cichlid pellets... except our cyps.

When will Northfin devote some energy toward PR on the forums? I'd like to see a Northfin rep on the record defending the product....

 

[RD.]

And say what exactly - the other lab reports are false? None of this ever happened? lol

My fish will all eat Wardley's, that's not exactly an accurate way to measure the quality of a food. I could probably train most cichlids to eat dried rabbit turds.

If this thread (and others like it) do nothing more than give some folks a serious wake up call, as in best not to state things on a website, or via email, that for under $100 can easily be proven one way or the other, then it's all been for the greater good.

 

[Grinch]

And say what exactly - the other lab reports are false? None of this ever happened? lol

My fish will all eat Wardley's, that's not exactly an accurate way to measure the quality of a food. I could probably train most cichlids to eat dried rabbit turds.

If this thread (and others like it) do nothing more than give some folks a serious wake up call, as in best not to state things on a website, or via email, that for under $100 can easily be proven one way or the other, then it's all been for the greater good.

RD... I think you should go for it! Provide an unopened bag of Northfin to an independent third party. Have that party divide the contents of bag and seal it up to prevent oxidation and send out subsets to different labs for analysis. Be sure to follow chain of custody rules. Report results here.

You have been very vocal about your expertise in this matter... I imagine that such a task is within your means and interests... why not go for it?? Thank you for your efforts ahead of time

While you're at it, please do so for all other foods on the market so we may make an informed decision for our fish. I consider Wardley's the finest food on the market

 

[Woefulrelic]

RD... I think you should go for it! Provide an unopened bag of Northfin to an independent third party. Have that party divide the contents of bag and seal it up to prevent oxidation and send out subsets to different labs for analysis. Be sure to follow chain of custody rules. Report results here.

You have been very vocal about your expertise in this matter... I imagine that such a task is within your means and interests... why not go for it?? Thank you for your efforts ahead of time

While you're at it, please do so for all other foods on the market so we may make an informed decision for our fish. I consider Wardley's the finest food on the market

Grinch... I think you should go for it! Provide an unopened bag of Northfin to an independent third party. Have that party divide the contents of bag and seal it up to prevent oxidation and send out subsets to different labs for analysis. Be sure to follow chain of custody rules. Report results here.

I imagine that such a task is within your means and interests... why not go for it?? Thank you for your efforts ahead of time

While you're at it, please spend hundreds of dollars to do so for all other foods on the market so we may make an informed decision for our fish.

 

[RD.]

Why waste my money? As stated in my initial post in this discussion -
"In my personal opinion, the lab results that I have seen appear to be genuine."

There is absolutely no confusion in my mind what has taken place here, or that other fish foods contain EQ - but I don't recall any of these other companies boldly stating for the last 20+ years that they have been in production that their foods are EQ free. See the difference?

So for myself this now simply boils down to a matter of trust, or not. For some people this will be a deal breaker, others probably won't bat an eye either way. Human nature, whatever. From someone who has actually been trialling this food & feeding this to their fish for a couple of years, and has been a member here for a few odd years now, I felt that it was important enough to bring to other members attention.

Peace Out

 

[jaws7777]

So for myself this now simply boils down to a matter of trust, or not. For some people this will be a deal breaker, others probably won't bat an eye either way.

+1.
To me it doesnt matter what northfin says they lied. Theres is no debating it, new lab results, or a NF rep commenting on this that will change that.

Could other companies be useing EQ sure, could they be lying sure but NF got caught.

We can debate EQ all day but how can anyone be confident that their ingredient list is acurate at this point. For all i know their food may contain mutated 6 eyed flounder caught off staten island NY

 

[Grinch]

This whole thing is crazy... a company making outrageous claims about their product, independent labs with dramatically different results, rumors and intrigue across the inter-webs, science mixed with pseudo-science, threats of legal action, mystery methods for feed production that result in the best feed known to man... Northfin makes it sound so good that humans should probably start eating it.

And all the average hobbyist is left with is questions. Should I risk giving my fish that bag of Northfin in my basement or should I stick with the tried and true Wardley's? Or should I just switch to silversides and farm-raised Tilapia? But what are the silversides and tilapia eating and will those preservatives end up in my fish? What about that GMO organic free-range heirloom zucchini I feed to my plecos?

Grinch... I think you should go for it!

So, I wish I had the money! Anyone want to organize taking up a collection? I'll put in my two bits

 

[jaws7777]

This whole thing is crazy... a company making outrageous claims about their product, independent labs with dramatically different results, rumors and intrigue across the inter-webs, science mixed with pseudo-science, threats of legal action, mystery methods for feed production that result in the best feed known to man... Northfin makes it sound so good that humans should probably start eating it.

And all the average hobbyist is left with is questions. Should I risk giving my fish that bag of Northfin in my basement or should I stick with the tried and true Wardley's? Or should I just switch to silversides and farm-raised Tilapia? But what are the silversides and tilapia eating and will those preservatives end up in my fish? What about that GMO organic free-range heirloom zucchini I feed to my plecos?



So, I wish I had the money! Anyone want to organize taking up a collection? I'll put in my two bits

I guess its an individual choice.