Oscar help... possible tumor, lump? Don't know.. help!

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Took me 6 stores to find more Marcyn 1 today, but I got it.

Also, I picked up 2 small 1.5" platy's, it was recommended by a LFS owner as a way to possible help him muscle through whatever might be blocking his intestines. I had to wound the platy to make it slow enough for the oscar to catch him, but he DID eat one, which is his first meal in 10 days now.

Continuing Marcyn1 over the weekend, fingers crossed for the best.
 
Well that was about the worst advice that LFS owner could have given you.

Also, in this type of situation where you are basically just playing a guessing game as to what if any bacterial strain this is, you should be treating with both Maracyn 1, and Maracyn 2. Maracyn 1 is only effective against gram positive bacertia.
 
Why the hell.. You gave your SICK oscar a feeder from a LFS that you didn't even quarentine.. That was just about one of the dumbest things you could have done <_<
 
Well, the guy has 30yrs in the hobby/business. I thought the advice wasn't typical of most, but I figured he has some real life practical application to his theory, not just stuf he read on the internet.
 
But I love getting flamed for trying, so thanks for that. The condition this oscar is in, if he's going to die, he's going to die, I don't think a feeder is going to push him over the edge. Let alone that if he has stopped accepting pellets, id like to at least have given him a meal for the first time in 10 days.

This hobby is very opinionated, and although I appreciate the offers of advice, none of thm have worked thus far, so some ppl shouldn't be so quick to point the finger and call me 'stupid'.
 
Well, the guy has 30yrs in the hobby/business. I thought the advice wasn't typical of most, but I figured he has some real life practical application to his theory, not just stuf he read on the internet.

But I love getting flamed for trying, so thanks for that. The condition this oscar is in, if he's going to die, he's going to die, I don't think a feeder is going to push him over the edge. Let alone that if he has stopped accepting pellets, id like to at least have given him a meal for the first time in 10 days.

This hobby is very opinionated, and although I appreciate the offers of advice, none of thm have worked thus far, so some ppl shouldn't be so quick to point the finger and call me 'stupid'.

He gave you crap advice. I'm assuming you know its not smart(You've been on this forum for a while) to feed fish feeders without quarantining them, let alone a sick fish. As for the feeder pushing him over the edge, it may very well can. Your Oscar is in a bad state as it is, a few parasites could definitely make him croak. You stated that your fish defecated a little bit. Not a lot but it was progress. I'd like to think that something was working. For the record, I didn't call you stupid, I just said you did a very dumb thing by feeding your Oscar that Molly.
 
Well, the guy has 30yrs in the hobby/business. I thought the advice wasn't typical of most, but I figured he has some real life practical application to his theory, not just stuf he read on the internet.

Did you ever stop & think that perhaps some of the people that have been attempting to help you, have that and more experience in this hobby?

This hobby is very opinionated, and although I appreciate the offers of advice, none of thm have worked thus far, so some ppl shouldn't be so quick to point the finger and call me 'stupid'.

They haven't worked, because you haven't followed the advice that's been given. It was suggested way back on page 2 of this discussion as far as the Maracyn treatment, Maracyn 1 is a broad spectrum antibiotic, but it is only effective against gram positive bacteria - in order to treat for gram negative bacteria, which is what most bacterial strains are that attack fish, you need to be treating with Maracyn 2 at the same time .... in a hospital tank so that your bio bacteria isn't wiped out in your main tank.

Feeding a feeder from your LFS is only adding another potential problem to an already serious problem, and the idjit that suggested that obviously doesn't have much real life practical application with regards to treating sick fish.

But hey, your fish, your call as to who's advice to be taking.

Good luck.
 
They haven't worked, because you haven't followed the advice that's been given.

I don't want to get into a pissing match here, but I am not sure how you can honestly sit there and type that. Follow this thread and its responses and I have tried them all, down the line, in the order they were given to me.

FIRST with feeding peas, SECOND with epsom salt treated water, THIRD feeding the epsom soaked pellets, which led me to the article comparing its benefits vs treating with metro ie. they both treat the same diseases (supposedly) so why not give that a shot, and now onto Marcyn treatments.

Did you ever stop & think that perhaps some of the people that have been attempting to help you, have that and more experience in this hobby?

I have, but all this implies is that your basically saying its your word or someone elses versus his. What makes who right? 30 years in the hobby versus 40? Im not going to discredit the mans word just because someone else doesn't agree. Do I know feeders can carry parasites and that they are risky to feed? Of course I do, that's why I don't feed them. Im not as dumb as some on this thread may think. I am also not so naive to believe that every feeder in the world is infected with some sort of fish-killing disease, and that if this Oscar was in the wild, he'd be eating live foods on a regular basis. Mother nature isnt stupid either, hence there is no shortage of oscars out there, so something about this LFS theory could possibly hold SOME weight here....

If he's eating, and passing normal waste, I don't see any harm in him eating something, even on a limited basis. Hopefully if it's a case of eating gravel at some point that gravel will pass.

As you said here, assuming that this feeder isnt a dreaded black plauge carrying infected feeder, then him eating something for the first time in over 10 days, to me, is a good thing..

To everyone who is replying on this thread, or any thread on this website for that matter, I know you all generally care about fish and want to help other's pursue the best health and care conditions they can when taking care of theirs, but there are better ways of going about it sometimes then kicking the poster when they're down about their chosen methods with your own opinionated responses. I am aware of why and what people are doing when they post responses like that, but your average person who is just logging onto the internet in hopes of finding some information is not going to react well to that sort of response, and will probably stop trying to seek out answers.. just some food for thought..

That said, this incident aside, RD and others - you've been professional with your posts and I do appreciate the insight and theories..
 
I don't want to get into a pissing match here, but I am not sure how you can honestly sit there and type that. Follow this thread and its responses and I have tried them all, down the line, in the order they were given to me.

But you haven't. I have suggested this since page 2 of this discussion, that is if you were going to treat this as a bacterial infection, and you were going to use Maracyn, then both M 1 & M2 should be used as each form treats a different type of bactera. M1 treating gram positive bacteria, and M2 treating gram negative bacteria.

Thus far all I've read is about you treating with Maracyn 1. (Erythromycin)

This isn't about my word against anyone elses, I have a firm grasp on what meds work against what. If you doubt what I've been saying about bacterial infections, and how best to treat them, then feel free to read what an expert in this field suggests, and what he has to say about gram positive bacteria, vs gram negative, and fish.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa084

So when we come to a situation such as yours, where one is basically guessing, with no true lab analysis to determine exactly what is wrong, and at some point we consider this as a potential bacterial infection (due to other potential ailments such as internal parasites now being ruled out) then the only logical thing to do is to treat for both gram positive AND gram negative bacteria. The drugs that have been suggested were ones that are most available at a LFS, but almost any aquatic based drug can be purchased online in the US.

A fish the size of yours could probably go 30-40 days without eating, if push came to shove. Mouth broooding females often go 30 days without eating, with no issue. If you were overly concerned about getting nutrition to your fish there are FAR better options available than offering a feeder fish from your LFS. (such as force feeding with a syringe) To add to that I have absolutely no idea how one would think that feeding a live feeder would help "muscle through" something, if in fact something is causing a blockage. That's just plain idiotic. Clearly your LFS owner with 30 yrs experience does not understand the digestive process of a fish.

I realize that you are somewhat grasping at straws, and you are doing everything that you can think of to help save your fish, and that's very admirable. I also understand that not every last feeder found at a LFS is carrying a fish killing disease, but I've also been kicking around this hobby long enough to tell you that I have seen many fish, including some uber expensive fish, that have in fact died from eating LFS feeders. IMO it was a risk that wasn't worth taking, and once even partially digested by the various acids & enzymes produced in a fishes gut, wouldn't "muscle through" anything.

As I said previously, your fish, your call as to what or who's advice you want to take.

I honestly hope that a miracle takes place & he pulls through for you.
 
Moving forward, here are some pictures of him today. It almost appears as if he is trying to pass some sort of giant white bubble through his anus... also, unfortunately not pictured, on the opposite side of this large 'thing', there is a smaller tiny-er bubble on the side.. I almost think that is where some waste might be passing through?

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Ive also observed the oscar do a funny little shaking/vibration of his caudal fin.... perhaps trying to pass this obstruction???

At any rate, Ill bite my tounge and swallow my pride and admit feeding was probably not the best idea, but as said, im grasping at straws and desperate. I will continue to not feed for the next 4 weeks and will treat with marcyn 1 & 2 (2 starting on monday)...

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