Some people shouldnt keep fish!!!!

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packer43064 said:
If you believe that, then please leave the hobby. Why do you even keep fish? Crazy imo.
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so you actually think you are doing a better job than nature?
 
packer43064 said:
If you believe that, then please leave the hobby. Why do you even keep fish? Crazy imo.
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I believe it 100%, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the hobby as I have for the past 25 years. Do you live in paradise? If not does that mean you dont want to live at all? Of course it doesnt, you live the best you can, and thats what I try to provide for my fish, the best and most comfortable life that I can offer them.
 
ettfettbranamn said:
so you actually think you are doing a better job than nature?
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I know I'm not doing a better job. I keep my fish healthy and keep the tank maintained. That's all I care about. I'm just not complaining how its impossible to keep fish in a tank which is no where near nature than keep an umbee in a 180.

That's the thing I know I can't keep it near nature standards, so I just take care of them how I can and go on with the day. I don't look at my 180 and think "darn, I can't keep my fish how nature ever could". I say heck I keep them good as I can and how I want and go on with life.
 
ettfettbranamn said:
I for one have NEVER seen a happy arowana.. I have seen arowanas that is well taken care of but never a happy one.. I have seen catatonic aros in terrible environments, I've seen beat up aros, skittish aros etc but I've never seen an aro in a scaped tank with a smile and his sad brother in the bare tank.. most fish is CB and not WC, in other words, what we show them is what they know..
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Beatifull tank, first of all.

my 2 foot Aro is happy( as far as I can imagine ). She nibbles my fingers, she does serpentines between my open fingers.I can pick her up and hpld her under water with no problem.
 
ettfettbranamn said:
so you actually think you are doing a better job than nature?
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If fish could talk I'm sure they would say yes...if they're sick they get medication rather than die, instead of a cold snap killing them during a cold front, the heater provided by me keeps them in proper temperature..and I'm sure my eel likes not having a barracuda or shark eat it when it leaves its cave. Obviously captivity is not perfect, but if nature with disease, pollution and predation is the fictional fish paradise, then I don't want to see fish hell.
 
nitrate spike on a mainstream forum; HEEELP!!!!! something happened and now all my fish are dead.. what? I don't know when I changed water! what do you mean by overfeeding? I have a pleco, don't they take care of that?
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That's not a mainstream forum, that's the new MFK, where discussions exactly like that one take place on a daily basis. This site has shifted from old school fishkeepers with true monster tanks, and many years of real world hands on experience, to the new kids on the block, with their new tank that mom & dad just bought them. In many cases these same kids are now giving out advice on the forums, with thousands of posts behind their names in less than 1 year of keeping a fish, any fish, alive in captivity. What a farce.


fish are more happy in a comm. In over 40 years of fishkeeping i have found that fish prefer to be around one another, even if slightly overstocked. Wet pets, who are more. Dogs than fish ( as said i have seven ) get more normal behaviours once introduced in the main tanks. Feed better, find their place in the hierarchy, and thrive better.
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I've been in this game & studying fish behaviour for as long as you have Miguel, perhaps longer, and what you stated in a matter of fact manner is nothing more than a personal opinion that is wide open to debate. :)

Not all fish prefer to be around other fish, in the wild, or in captivity. Many species (and individuals within each species) outside of spawning season, prefer to live a life of solitaire. Yes, when we attempt to keep some of these species in captivity we must cram many fish into the glass box to alleviate aggression issues, yet if we stocked as in nature there wouldn't be any aggression to begin with. Funny how that works. Also, many old bull males, lose their interest to spawn, and become killers of females in captivity. (which is why all male tanks like your mixed amphilophus tank "sometimes" work)

The fish that I keep in solo tanks are flying solo for a reason.


What have you now? Poor sods who, enthused, show off their new purchase. 9 times out of 10, if not downright bashed, thay are todl, immediately, they have to get a larger tank. It is so evident, that now, all those guys, post about their new fish, AND IMMEDIATELY, state, in the same post, in an exculpatory manner, that they will upgrade very soon. 9 out of 10 don't come back or don' t describe the development of their experience, because (unsure young guys or guys who do not want to tolerate criticism from people they do not know ) they do not feel they deserve the bashing and the flaming . So we learn nothing. We very rarely get to follow developments and learn with what we read.
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That's one take on the situation, here's another ....... 9 times out of 10 that poor sod that didn't spend the time or energy to properly RESEARCH in advance get rid of their "monster" flavour of the month & replace it with a new "monster" when they get bored of the old one. This is why one seldoms ever sees updates on umbee, or dovii, when they are as thick as my arm & 24" in length. Those enthusiastic poor sods got rid of them long before they reached 20".


I personally don't have a problem with heavily stocked tanks when maintained by those who know how to properly care for the fish in that type of set up.


What I do have a problem with is people who purposely set out to keep fish that due to not just their overall size/shape, but also their energy level (as in swimming space required) are knowingly (as in knowing better) kept in cramped quarters.


Perhaps none of us will ever match "fish paradise", but suggesting to a fellow member that it's ok to keep some catfish that can reach a foot long, a pleco that has the potential to grow over a foot long, and an Oscar in a 55 gallon is IMHO seriously messed up. If that's the quality of advice that this forum has come to, perhaps it's time for me to move on.
 
Wow there so much hate going on in this thread...reminds me of Youtube...like I said before this is MFK not MFH! With these types of threads going around this site might as well change the name to MFH...


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lehrscott4 said:
I believe it 100%, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the hobby as I have for the past 25 years. Do you live in paradise? If not does that mean you dont want to live at all? Of course it doesnt, you live the best you can, and thats what I try to provide for my fish, the best and most comfortable life that I can offer them.
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Great. You keep your fish as good as you can. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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